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M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 10-06-2015 12:44 am:

 PENSION ADALAT OF RETIREES OF STATE BANK OF INDIA.
Dear Friends,

Can anybody post in this valued site the address of the Pension Adalat for SBI Retirees and the official designation of its presiding officer.
This will be highly beneficial to many aggrieved SBI pensioner especially the 6th and 7th BPS retilrees.

Yours faithfully,

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Iyer,

There is no permanent Adalat for Pensioners. These are generally held during Circle Pensioners' Meet, and the Adalat is held in the presence of the CGM and other officials, at least this is the position in Bengal Circle. The Adalat is presided over by the DGM & CDO, and responses are given by the PPG Deptt and Per & HR Deptt.

On an ongoing basis, there is a Nodal Officer at PPG Deptt Corporate Centre to look into grievances of pensioners, which are routed through them by different Circles.

udayan dasgupta wrote at 09-06-2015 10:43 pm:

 PENSION ADALAT OF RETIREES OF STATE BANK OF INDIA:-
PENSION ADALAT OF RETIREES OF STATE BANK OF INDIA:-
What are the functions & Scope of the Adalat ?-Please furnish us details & oblige.
 
Comment: Dear Udayan,

The Pension Adalat is aimed at resolving grievances of pensioners about pension, pf or gratuity, either on the spot of within a specified short span of time. The Adalat would not obviously be able to address issues pending in courts, or with the Govt. but individual problems are attended promptly.

BS Chahal wrote at 08-06-2015 3:00 pm:

 6th & 7th retirees
Let us continue court cases for which I think that the time has come to hear a good news.In the meantime we should request the bank to allow 100% DA neutrilisation and update pension on basis of last average 12months salary at 50/40 to the 6th and 7th retirees.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chahal,

We entirely agree with you.

pmgkpanicker wrote at 08-06-2015 5:34 am:

 7 th bipartite pensioners
dear friends,
now the time has come for wakeup. i hope that all fo them know about the court cases here i want to enlight the individual cases of jaipuriar delhi high court and late salilghosh. rregarding jaipuriar case the division bench has directed the bank to fix his salary as per 50 % of the last basic pay drawn at the time of retirment and should be paid with in 12 weeks from the date order. regarding late salil ghosh case. during the hearing time shri salil ghosh expired. he has to pay 35000 rupees to the advocate and the case was pending. pending. in the meantime one s.k. gosh came in the picture and he communicate this matter to the pensioners by mail . few of the pensioners responded and assured him to proceed thw case and filed affidavit by the legal hiers of the late salil ghosh and the financial help was given by the willful pensioners.accordingly an order was passed by the calcutta high court .i think all of them moght have read the order. the bank misled the courtthat pension has been paid rs 8500 till his death. this was a rwrong fact.now the wife of late salil ghosh represented the fact to notice of the bank chairman.

in the context we should apprciate shri suojoy kumar ghosh who come forward to proceed the case .

as such i advise all of the comfard and protest march in case bank is not obey the court order.
regarding federation view that the represent both cases as dicussed with mr. murthy while he wasm in kerala for attending agm of our circle.

now i have to about kerala high court case which will come up for hearing with in 2 months.

i request all of you come foward to make problem to be solved..

 
Comment: Dear Mr Panicker,

We appreciate the concern of pensioners including yourself, regarding their plight.We do not agree, with the occasional calls for agitation or hunger strikes or dharnas, given by individual pensioners. We have elected bodies at all levels, upto the Federation stage. Let us abide by organizational discipline, and implement collective decisions, even when we do not like them individually.

anjan chakraborty wrote at 08-06-2015 12:31 am:

 Court cases
Dear friends,

We have no option but to continue with the court cases. Additionally we have to explore all other avenues in order to achieve our demands. We may all feel frustrated with the delays. But let us not give up.
 

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 07-06-2015 7:53 pm:

 7th Bipartite Pensioners.
Dear friends,

I write this to openly disagree with what Shri Parthasarathy has posted in this site on 7th June.

We waited for so many years very patiently and neither the Bank nor the serving employees/officers organisations did came to our help. The Bank has very nakedly violated all the points of the 7th BPS pertaining to pensioners. Pensioners of subsequent bipartites are getting improved benefits.

Let us go ahead with the cases boldly. If we fall on the carpet it should be our dead bodies.Let us not be cowards.

Yours faithfully,

M.Gopalakrishna Iyer
 
Comment: Dear Mr Iyer,

We appreciate your views and admire your spirit.

R.Parthasarathy wrote at 07-06-2015 12:21 am:

 7th bipartite pensioners vis-a-vis Delhi HC case 2353/2014
Uncertainty shrouds the likely outcome in our Federation's case asking for the scrapping of the 50/40 clause in our pension rules. We also do not know when the judgement will be delivered. We know that the Judges themselves have observed that it will be a long process. At the end of the case, the bank may again go in appeal to the Supreme Court. It will be more sensible on our part if we just drop this case and request the Bank to revise the pension on the basis of the existing formula which has been maintained till the present settlement. The remaining 7th bipartite pensioners, mostly comprising subordinate staff, award staff and officers upto Scale II, to whom 50 percent instead of 50/40 does not bring benefits, will at least have some improvement in pension (as in the cases of Mr.Jaipuriar and Mr.Salil Ghosh)
 
Comment: Dear Mr Parthasarathy,

We have no option but to continue with the court cases. As regards the favourable orders obtained by two individual petitioners, the cases were not of representative nature, and hence, the orders cannot be used by other affected pensioners. The relief of 50% salary as pension, is not just in respect of officer pensioners. Many pensioners in clerical and subordinate categories, have been affected by varies anomalies, including that in the 7th Bipartite. Let there be the same dispensation for all pensioners, irrespective of what cadre they belonged to, when they were in service .

anjan chakraborty wrote at 06-06-2015 3:04 am:

 PROBLEMS WITH THIS WEBSITE
Dear friends,

You may continue to write to us here, but we will not be able to respond on behalf of SBIPA as all the websites in the domain, hpage.com as also 27 others, have been temporarily blocked because of certain non compliances. It is not our fault. You will be able to view all the pages, and the updates posted upto 05.06.2015. But we shall not be able to post any further news, till such time services are restored.

During this period, we request all viewers to go to our additional website, created today, for the latest updates. The address of this new website is www.sbipabc.webs.com. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.
 

ANJAN CHAKRABORTY wrote at 05-06-2015 11:12 pm:

 additional website
DEAR FRIENDS,

WE ARE UNABLE TO ACCESS THIS WEBSITE, FOR THE TIME BEING, AS DEPARTMENT OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS HAS BLOCKED 28 WEBSITES INCLUDING HPAGE.COM TILL CERTAIN COMPLIANCE IS COMPLETED BY THEM. TILL SUCH TIME, OUR ASSOCIATION'S NEWS MAY BE VIEWED ON THE ADDITIONAL WEBSITE www.sbipabc.webs.com
 

dhanabalan wrote at 05-06-2015 10:22 pm:

 pension problems
I congratulate and wish him all the best to Mr.Bharath Bhushan
 

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 05-06-2015 8:56 pm:

 PENSION & GRATUITY




Dear Shri Dasgupta,

Your observation in connection with Shri Ram's comment is very apt and boosts up the morale of the retirees.

IBA and UFBU, both parties to the 10th BPS' have done something which can be termed at contempt of court.

Yours faithfully,

M.Gopalakrishna Iyer.




 

udayan dasgupta wrote at 05-06-2015 7:48 pm:

 P lease refer Mr.M.Ram’s very correct comment on Pension dt. 03.06.2015:
Supreme Court Observed:
-"It is an accepted position that gratuity and pension are not the bounties. An employee earns these benefits by dint of his long, continuous, faithful and un-blemished service. It is thus hard earned benefit which accrues to an employee and is in the nature of “property”It means I.B.A. & Other Parties, to snatch the total parts of loaf, have knowingly & intentionally omitted the Pensioners issue at last moment.
 

manotosh Samajpati wrote at 05-06-2015 4:01 am:

 Draft voter list
It is observed that draft voter list is printed without maintaining membership number serially. Hope it will be rectified in final list.
 
Comment: Dear Manotosh,

As the voters' list is being compiled centre/booth wise, the order is which the names are being arranged, is according to Postal Pin codes, and not membership number wise. You will definitely appreciate the reasons for the compilation of the list in the current form.

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 04-06-2015 10:12 pm:

 7th Bipartite Pensioners.
Dear Shri Dasguata,

I thank you for your quick response to my views mentioned on 4th June 2015.

2. While we have to wait for the judgement of our case in High Court of New Delhi, we can invoke Right to Information Act (RTI)and seek the information regarding 100 nutralisation of DA from the Government of India and/or our Central Office.

3. Kindly bring it to the notice of the leaders concerned at the earliest.

Yours faithfully,

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer
 

N J CHAVAN RETD DY.MANAGER KOLHAPUR(MAHARASHTRA) wrote at 04-06-2015 10:10 pm:

 BANKS RECOMMENDEATIONS ABOUT 5TH AND 6TH BIPIRTIES RE4TIRES
THE BANK HAD RECOMMENDED THE REVISTION OF PENSTION TO ABOVE RETIRES IN SEPT 2013 IT IS ALMOST 1 YEAR 6MONTH THE FIN MINISTER TOOK SOLONG TIME TO TAKE DECTION IS NOT ANY RULE TO REPLY OR TAKE DECTION WITHIN A TIME BOUND SCHEDUKLE IN ALL DECTIONS OUR FEDERATION SHOULD ARRANGE ALONG WITH CO FOR EARLY SOLUTIONS
 

G.venkatachalam wrote at 04-06-2015 2:15 am:

 pre 2002 retirees.
for us only two issues are awaiting clearance---PENSION UPDATION...100% D A NEUTRALISATION. Our Fedn should get these cleared at least at an early date.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Venkatachalam,

Please refer to our report on the 10th Bipartite agreement, with special attention the issues concerning pensioners. IBA has categorically rejected the proposal of updation, but has said that the costing of the exercise will be examinedl It is unofficially learnt that during discussions, IBA had suggested to UFBU that they accept the periodicity of Bipartite settlements to be 10 years, like the Pay Commissions of 'Govt employees, to enable them to consider updation.
But 100% DR neutralization for pre 2002 retirees, is not unlikely to be implemented soon

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 04-06-2015 1:18 am:

 7th Bipartite Pensioners.
Dear Shri Subramanian,

I fully endorse and agree with the views expressed by Shri P.M.G.K. Panicker on the captioned subject.

The two issues pendidng at present before the Government of India,inistry of Finance are:-

a) Approval for the Central Board"s resulution passed in September 2013 recommending increase in basic pension for those were drawing a basic pay of more than Rs.8,5//- @ 40% for the amount in excess of Rs.8,500/-

b) Proposal to give 100% nutralisation of DA to all pre-2002 retirees recommendations for which is lying before the Ministry of Finance, Govt of India. All the clarifications sought by the Minisatry have been cleared by the Bank early this year.

As General Secretary of the Federation, Shri Murthy is request to follow-up the matter at the government level without further loss of time.

The above-mentioned issued are not pertaining to only one person but all pre 2002 and 7th Bipartite pensioners.Hence, through these columns, I request requesthri Murthy to do the needful.

Yours faithfully,

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer.


 
Comment: Dear Mr Iyer,

We agree that the Federation should pursue these issues with the Bank at the earliest. But as far as the matter pertaining to payment of pension at 50% for all, we had better wait for the Court order.

udayan dasgupta wrote at 03-06-2015 9:14 pm:

 Naked discrimination.
Commentators Sirs,
circular (P&HRD 2/2015-16 dated 01.04.2015) bears a naked discrimination against old staff pensioners.
 
Comment: Dear Udayan,

We agree, but this facility cannot be demanded by the Association or Federation, as a Trade Union can.

M.RAM wrote at 03-06-2015 7:21 am:

 pension
"It is an accepted position that gratuity and pension are not the bounties. An employee earns these benefits by dint of his long, continuous, faithful and un-blemished service. It is thus hard earned benefit which accrues to an employee and is in the nature of “property”." This is the observation of supreme court of india and it is not a charity or welfare measure as observed by I.B.A. The parties to the 10th bipartite agreement should delete the statement from the agreement.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Ram,

We are in full agreement with your views. But the 10th Bipartite agreement is already over, and the signatories, who did not dissent on such objectionable reference to pensioners, cannot do anything now.

pmgkpanicker wrote at 03-06-2015 5:33 am:

 7 th bipartite pensioners
dear mr. subramaniam,
while refering your writeup tday, i have to mention that mr. murthy was present on kerala state pensioners association held on 31 may, delhi court in respect of jaipuriar and calcutta highcourt decesions were brought to the notice to him.as we understand that he will not take both cases tobring to the notice of the central office. he is only admant on the federation case only. his version is his version is that individual case will not takeup. this is mentality of mr.murthy.i personally quistioned him in case jaipuriar case will not accept by the bank what action the federation will take.he is unable to answer my question. do you think the federation is for the benefit of pensioners.


 
Comment: Dear Mr Panicker,

We request you to refrain from using this website for denigrating anyone. Opinions may differ about the best course of action. Let us however go by the decision taken by the elected office bearers of our Federation, even when we are not happy with it.
None of the two cases cited, were of representative character. In fact, the case of late Mr Salil Ghosh, is a totally individual one, and the order of the Div Bench clearly states that it cannot be cited as a precedent by other pensioners.

n.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 03-06-2015 4:07 am:

 ref sri r. parthasarathy's post dt. 3/6/15
Even if they have conceded before the court the Bank has to approach the GOI for prior approval. Suggestion is good that the PENFED should take up the matter with SBI Mgt for revision of pension for all the affected pensioners but how will they do having filed a case for pension at 50% of the average of the last drawn pay for12 months. It will be contradicting as the bank even if they concede will pay at 40%/50% formula which is as per the Pension Rules.Will the PENFED agree? Better we wait till the writ is heard by the DHC and judgement delivered. Perhaps the arguments may drag on for a couple of months before decided.It cannot be avoided. Having waited so long there is noother alternative excepting waitin for a few more months. I do not know how the PENFED feel and think about the whole issue.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,

We agree with your views. We may wait for the DHC order.

R.Parthasarathy wrote at 03-06-2015 3:06 am:

 CHC case- Mr.Salil Ghosh
According to the judgement in the above case, SBI has confirmed payment of pension to Mr.Salil Ghosh( VII Bipartite pensioner)on the basis of revised pension. Of course, it has been denied by Mrs.Salil Ghosh. It implies that SBI erred in its confirmation. In the earlier case involving Mr.Jaipuriar also, SBI had conceded revision. We request the Federation to take up this issue with the Bank and request for revision to all the affected pensioners since in two cases SBI has conceded revision.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Parthasarathy,

We understand that the representatives of the litigant, Mrs Ghosh, has initiated steps to ascertain the correct position regarding payments, before approaching the Court for further action. We feel that at this stage Federation need not intervene. Incidentally, the Div Bench order clearly stipulates that it cannot be cited as a precedence, by other similarly affected pensioners.
As regards the Jharkhand High Court case since transferred to Delhi High Court, the petitioner declined to include the prayer of deletion of Rule 23 (2) from the Pension Fund Rules, for getting benefit of 50% of salary as the basis for calculating pension.

udayan dasgupta wrote at 02-06-2015 11:11 pm:

 Conversiom of staff commercial housing loan into Individual Housing loan scheme
Respected Commentator,
Refer my write up dt24.05.2015 & 29.05.2015. in connection to Conversion of H.Loan to IHLS-Lady Manager of Garia Branch refused to take my application on the plea that the new circular does not cover my case as it is an old case of nine years.
 
Comment: Dear Udayan,

We have since checked the recent circular of the bank in this regard. It is true that the Bank has decided,as per the circular (P&HRD 2/2015-16 dated 01.04.2015) " to allow employees who have retired on or after 30th September 2014 and also retiring upto 31st May 2015, to avail the revised
housing loan limit under IHLs within 30th June 2015 in the usual manner. This will however, be subject to the following:
i) Even if such retired employee is not able to acquire/complete
construction of house before 30.06.2015, housing loan under IHLs can
be sanctioned upto 30.06.2015 repeat 30.06.2015 provided the retired employee gives cash collateral equivalent to the loan sanctioned, till
equitable mortgage on the property is created in favour of the Bank."

A.V.MURALI wrote at 02-06-2015 6:43 pm:

 Pensioners issues
Your blog is doing at most service to the retirees of SBI>i read the blog everyday to keep me posted of developmrntsI wish more pensioners take advantage and share views in this blog.:-
 
Comment: Dear Mr Murali,

We are glad that we, despite being aged pensioners, ourselves, are able to provide some service to fellow pensioners. We realize that with age, the mobility of pensioners decline. We therefore aim to provide current information so that pensioners can keep themselves abreast of the latest developments, without having to brave the sun and rain.

Please continue to encourage us, from time to time. Like recharging batteries.

PROBIR SEN GUPTA wrote at 02-06-2015 7:58 am:

 MEMBERSHIP NO
DEAR SIRS,
THANKS FOR YOUR PROMPT REPLY.
SIR, I AM NOT AT ALL WORRIED.
HOWEVER I WILL TALK TO MR.DE SARKAR IN HIS CELL NO IN THIS REGARD.
YOURS FAITHFULLY
PROBIR SEN GUPTA
 
Comment: Dear Probir,

We take pains and get pleasure in acknowledging all mails, and responding to them at the earliest. Please keep viewing this website and writing to us.

asit kumar banerjee wrote at 02-06-2015 4:54 am:

 new membership
My P.F.Index No. 1160079 and I draw my pension from Kolkata High Court SPB Branch.Now I seek membership and pls. inform me the formalities for my doing the needful.
 
Comment: Dear Asit,

You can drop in any day (Mon to Fri) at our office on the ground floor of Block E, (Below LCPC) and fill in your membership application form and deposit your cheque. We welcome you into our fold in advance.

PROBIR SEN GUPTA wrote at 01-06-2015 10:15 pm:

 Membership No.
Dear Sirs,

It will not be possible for me to visit Association Office now. However for your ready reference I would like to inform that I submitted my form in person at Pensioners' Association Office at Jeevan Deep Kolkata and probably shri Amit De Sarkar (Kolkata New) received the application . Further, I draw my pension from our Jodhpur Park Branch.
 
Comment: Dear Probir,

We suggest that you contact Amit in this regard. In any case, please do not worry, as all payments are accounted for at the Association office, and your receipt must have been issued and held in the custody of some office bearer, pending delivery to you. Amit De Sarkar's cell number is 9432257100.

PROBIR SEN GUPTA wrote at 01-06-2015 4:23 am:

 Membership No.
I have submitted application for membership of this esteemed organization along with a cheque as subscription of membership.The cheque is duly cleared but I have not been informed of my membership No. yet.My ID No. is 1250728.
Please mail me my no. and oblige.
With regards
Probir Sen Gupta
 
Comment: Dear Probir,

We welcome you into our fold. Please contact the member through whom you had submitted your application form and cheque. Receipts with membership numbers are finally issued by the Circle Association office at LHO, and sent to the new member concerned through the Unit or Zone in question. You are free to come to the Association office and interact with us.

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) (Website) wrote at 31-05-2015 9:04 pm:

 Pensioners’ Mail for the month of June 2015
We have uploaded the Chandigarh Circles’ Monthly Bulletin Pensioners’ Mail for the month of June 2015, which you can be view/download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website:

http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/

Please note that we upload Pensioners’ Mail on 1st of every month for that month.

Jai Ram Gupta
General Secretary
SBI Pensioners' Association
(Chandigarh Circle)
 

N J CHAVAN RETD DY.MANAGER KOLHAPUR(MAHARASHTRA) MOB 9421203165 wrote at 30-05-2015 10:50 pm:

 SBIPENSTIONERS CASE FEDERATIONS PLAINT
IT WILL BE OBSERVED FROME INNUBERABLE COURTCASE THAT SUPERIME COURT HAS GIVEN INNUMERABLE DISTIONS IN VARIOUS CASES OF SBI PENSTIONERS SOMWEN TIMES IT CLIARLY CLASSIFY PENSTIONERS RETIERED ON SUPERANNUATION AND PENSTIONERS RETIERED AS VRS OPTES SO THE PLAIN INSUPRIME COURT SHOULD HAVE ALL RETIRES IREESPECT OF VRS OBTIES EXIT OBTIES ETC
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chavan,

You may be aware that the matter in the Supreme Court has since been transferred to the Div Bench of Delhi High Court, where it is due for final hearing. The relief sought covers all types of pensioners, whether upon superannuation or through VRS/Exit option. We have sought just 50% of last average salary, as the pension.

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 30-05-2015 9:40 pm:

 PLIGHT OFPENSIONERS.
Dear Friends,

With reference to the letters of Shri Laxmana Rao of Karnataka, from my experience I learn that SBIPABC does not have any discrimination.
They answer to the clarification raised by anybody. So far I have not experienced them rejecting anything which conveys the sentiments of geneuine pensioners. I have written more than 10 letters and they ave not even asked for my PF Index Number. In my ipinion, this is theonly website which answers you promptly. I strongly urge and sincerely request other circle associationsto take SBIPABC as an example.

I request them to KEEP IT UP.

Yours faithfully,

M.Gopalakrishna Iyer.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Iyer,

We thank you heartily for appreciating our efforts. We are glad that this website has become a user friendly platform for pensioners, where they can freely exchange their views, their expectations, their frustrations, and their dreams of a brighter future in the twilight of their lives.
Please keep encouraging us, not just by praising us, but also criticizing us whenever necessary.

LAKSHMANA RAO wrote at 30-05-2015 6:41 pm:

 XTH B P S - Pensioners woes increases
The 10th BPS has handed out a blow to the pensioners by stating that the pension is a welfare activity of the Bank. Are we beggars waiting for the Bank to dole out alms? What has happened to the sweat, toil, sacrifices that we have undergone during our long tenure in the Bank? Are UFBU / IBA /GOI ppl not going become pensioners?
 
Comment: Dear Mr Rao,

While we agree with your views, and appreciate your response to such a casual and indifferent remark towards pensioners, on the body of the 10th Bipartite agreement, we wonder how and why the UFBU signatories did not even record their dissent. The Banks are legally and morally obligated to fulfil the obligations towards pensioners. As per Supreme Court directive, pension is deferred wage and banks cannot even declare dividend, before making adequate provision for payment of pension.
On the positive side, this is perhaps the first time that a Bipartite settlement has categorically addressed the concerns of pensioners and family pensioners. Though there are no immediate gains, this is a good sign.

LAKSHMANA RAO wrote at 30-05-2015 6:34 pm:

 Request to contribute to the Readers Write Column
I am a SBI Pensioner from B-lore circle and would like to get in touch with SBI Pensioners of Kolkatta Circle. SO I request that I may be permitted to do so.
My PF # is 518387
 
Comment: Dear Mr Rao,

This website, though originally created for pensioners in Bengal Circle, has become a popular platform for exchange of ideas and information among pensioner of SBI all over the country. Any pensioner from any Circle is free to write to us.
We welcome you to our website and urge upon you to share your views on subjects relevant to pensioners. You do not require any password for this.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 30-05-2015 12:36 am:

 10TH BIPARTITE SETTLEMENT
IN THE 9TH BIPARTITE SETTLEMENT THERE IS ''SPECIAL BANCING ALLOWANCE'' FOR THE SERVING EMPLOYEES AND THEY GOT RS289/ CRORES AS ''SPECIAL BALANCING ALLOWANCE'' AND THIS TIME ACCORDING TO CLAUSE 39 THE SERVING EMPLOYEES WILL GET ''SPECIAL COMPENSATORY ALLOWNCE'' AND OUR PENSION ISSUES CAN BE SOLVED WITH RS200/ CRORES P.A THIS TIME INCREASE OF PENSION FOR 10TH BIPARTITE RETIREES IS LESS THAN IN THE 9TH BIPARTITE SETTLEMENT AND WE SHOULD REQUEST THE BANK FOR RESOLVING OUR PENSION ISSUES THIS TIME.
K.R.SAINI
 

udayan dasgupta wrote at 29-05-2015 9:00 pm:

 continued earlier
……).But in 2005 idea or concept for the 2nd housing loan under IHLS not took any final shape however conceiving .Final circular for 2nd H/Loan surfaced on May 2008.But my normal retirement matured on 31st January 2007.
Plz take trouble to comment again on above condition, even I will be eligible to convert my 2nd H/Loan into IHLS ?....Please.
 
Comment: Dear Udayan,

We suggest that you approach the sanctioning authority, with an application.

udayan dasgupta wrote at 29-05-2015 8:56 pm:

 Ref :udayan dasgupta wrote at 24-05-2015 8:01 pm:Continued
Respected Commentator,
while I took my 2nd H/L,I applied it under IHLS., because earlier loan amount was too meagre & also IHLS amount enhaced to the tune of Rs.10 lacs or Rs7.50lacs(Subjec to Confirmation).The major money portion of the 2nd h.Loan that time was covering with IHLS amnt permitted as extention or renovations....Contd Next.....
 

V MADHAVAN wrote at 29-05-2015 4:55 pm:

 WHERE TO GET THE JUDGMENTS / ORDERS
Mr Suresh Chhatre PF No 1330381 The Judgments Information system consists of the Judgments of the Supreme court of India and several High Courts. In the case of the Supreme Court all reported Judgments which are published in SCR Journal, since its inception i.e. 1950 till date are available. The Judgments reported in SCR till 1993 also have head-notes. The judgments reported in SCR in 1994 and later have only text of judgments with out head-notes. web site address judis.nic.in
vmadhavan67[at]yahoo[dot]in
 

dhanabalan dha wrote at 28-05-2015 7:33 pm:

 retirees plight.
Without prejudice though i have no firm expectation from iba it is hearttening to note that iba is at least give an audience to groups of retirees.I also appreciate that there is transparancy in as much as member retirees are informed through these columns taking up the issue at bank level.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Dhanabalan,

We reiterate that our Federation is taking up the unresolved issues exclusively with our Bank management when the separate agreement is drawn up for our Bank, with the two serving employees; Federations. IBA does not do anything directly for our Bank.

BSCHAHAL wrote at 28-05-2015 5:34 pm:

 court cases
We can also sent an appeal to Chief justice of india and Chief labour commissioner as the concerned authorities are not taking any action on various judgements issued by the High courts.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chahal,

Unfortunately, your suggestion, may sound emotionally very effective, but not feasible in actual terms. Our solutions have to come through court orders or Govts decisions.

Jayakrishnan T.V. wrote at 28-05-2015 6:36 am:

 AIBRF meeting with IBA on 25th May 2015 at 3 p.m.
I refer to Shri R. Parthasarathy's posting dated 27th May 2015 on the above subject and your comment.

In this connetion Shri Perumal Maruthu has posted the following in Facebook - News for Bank Pensioners:

QUOTE:

In the afternoon, the memorandum was handed over to the Chairman, IBA , Shri T.M.Bhasin in the presence of other members of Managing Committee. The Chairman asked CEO, IBA to look into the memorandum. The delegation of AIBRF who submitted the memorandum was consisting of the President, Shri S.M.Deshpande, Vice Presidents, Shri D.A.Masdekar and Ashok Patil, General Secretary, Shri S.C.Jain and Dy. Gen. Secy. Shri R.S.Desai.

Thereafter, we held preliminary discussion with the CEO who assured that after going through the memorandum, the next meeting would be held with our representatives after some time.

UNQUOTE

It is expected that the meeting is likely to take place in the third week of June 2015.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Jayakrishnan,

Our Federation is not a party to this meeting and as such, our bank's pensioners are not affected by the outcome of any such meeting. Our 'Federation is separately taking up the issue of pensioners, with the SBI management, once the separate agreement between the two working employees' Federation and SBI management is now drawn up.

suresh chhatre PF no 1330381 wrote at 28-05-2015 3:26 am:

 7BP
SIR, wrt to Sujoy Ghoshs "the 7th.BP pensioners/family may submit claims to the Bank with copies of the two Judgements. Please arrange to disseminate this to such pensioners. To submit the claim where we can get the judgments
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chhatre,

We have discussed the situation. We do not agree with the proposal of submitting claims to the bank by affected pensioners of 7th Bipartite. The case of late Mr Salil Ghosh, in our opinion, has not been successfully resolved. The Div Bench has made a curious observation that it can be presumed that the single Judge bench's verdict has since been carried out. The Bank has also given a peculiar reply, stating that he had been paid out his dues correctly. The case may linger further, and contempt petition may also be required to be submitted.
We are therefore not in favour of the copy of the judgement copy to be displayed at branches, for the benefit of other 7th Bipartite pensioners.

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 28-05-2015 1:09 am:

 SUFFERINGS OF PRE 2002 SBI RETIREES.
Dear Friends & Comrades,

I am pointing out two very long pending issues that are gathering dust with the Ministry of Finance, Government of India. The issues are appended:-

RESIDUAL INCREASE IN BASIC PENSION:
Central Board of State Bank of India had passed a resolution in September 2013 approving increase in basic pension by allowing 40% in exess of Rs.2300/Rs.4,250/- which will bring some relief to the pensioners. This is pending with the MOF/GOI for more that 20 months. A stamp of approval from MOF/GOI is enough for clear this proposal.

100% NUTRALISATION OF D.A.:

This is now being paid to post 2002 retirees.A recommendation has been sent by Central Office to MOF/GOI. Even the clarifications sought by them have been cleared by the Bank. This is also gathering dust at the MOF/GOI.

If our Delhi Association leaders and Mumbnai Association leaders can fallow up the matter with GOI and Central Office respective, the matter will move faster. This is for the benefit of all pre-2002 retirees. Kindly initiate steps to do the same.

Yours faithfully,

M.Gopalakrishna Iyer.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Iyer,

We are in agreement with your views. These issues have caused suffering to thousands of pensioners, specially those of yesteryears, for a very long time. Our Federation is trying its best to sort out these issues with the Bank and also the Govt.

dhanabalan wrote at 27-05-2015 6:42 pm:

 merger of da
It is surprising that members are able to get news from elsewhere and request details from the powercentre?. Transparency and appreciating feedback will go long way in achieving better results.dhanabalan
 
Comment: Dear Mr Dhanabalan,

What do you mean by "elsewhere" ? In this age of internet connectivity, information is accessible to all. You may yourself get details from the internet. Moreover, we as pensioners, are as dependent on various websites, and personal communications, for getting updates on issues concerning pensioners, as yourself.
We once again request you not to cast aspersion on anyone while submitting any post in this website. We also appreciate forthrightness and transparency, but not if it is belittling anyone.

R.Parthasarathy wrote at 27-05-2015 6:11 pm:

 Pensioners
IBA has ruled out pension upgrading. IBA is considering 100 percent DA neutralisation and merger of DA points 4440 with basic pension. The IBA says it has to consider the cost implications. Our Pension Association and Federation can take up these issues and try to convince the IBA to extend to us at least these benefits. They will be proactive, we believe.
There was a meeting between the Pension Federation and the IBA at 3 p.m. on 25th May. We would like to get an update about it.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Parthasarathy,

We understand that the UFBU representatives were signatories to the agreement, despite some questionable clauses in it, about the payout to pensioners. Our Federation is seized with the issue, and we shall update the latest developments in this website.

dhanabalan wrote at 27-05-2015 1:41 am:

 court cases
apartfrom the suggestion made by Mrchatopadyay the reasons for mutiplicity of cases is also due to the fact that several banks in several states and different groups each claiming intelligence due to ego. A single association for the retirees of all banks with state level units without political influence and minimum age limit of 65 and not more that two terms of three years each.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Dhanabalan,

You may be aware that our Associations/Federation are all non political bodies. A single confederation of all retirees of all banks, like the UFBU, is ideally the best option. But there are two other Federations of bank retirees of other banks, which are not totally apolitical. Our Federation has decided not to affiliate itself with such bodies, while maintaining coordination with them in the collective interests of the community of pensioners of the banking industry.
While your idea of having pensioners' bodies with minimum age of 65 years, sounds logical, there are demands of leaving the Associations in the hands of young pensioners, who can run around effectively. The truth is however, that very few pensioners come forward to serve the Association. So willingness is a stronger factor than the age. In the process, effectiveness may get diluted at times.

sabyasachi chattopadhyay wrote at 26-05-2015 10:42 pm:

 court cases
I am happy as the assn has responded to my observations. A lot of court cases have been going on in different courts in India for resolution of our different demands. As all of us know that nearly four crore court cases are pending in lower/high and supreme courts in India. And it is nobodys' responsibility, neither of the state/central govts nor of the judges although everybody is concerned and they often say that 'justice delayed is justice denied'. You are placing periodical developments of court cases but personally I do not see those items. Even if we won in any case, the bank will approach will approach higher courts or to higher bench of same court. Since all of us are retired persons, how much time we have to see the outcome. But I agree that the associations do not have any other options to get our demands meet. So let them continue. The future members can get its benefit. Regarding the inner-fighting court cases where our members' funds are being spent from the association side, I feel the reason is somewhat different. There have been no development of court cases from time immemorial whereas the same Leadership have been continuing since decades. To this end I can suggest that since we are starting union activities only after the age of 60, we may think of moving a resolution in the general meeting that no members can contest after fighting election for two terms or after the age of say 68 whichever is earlier. Let other people see whether they can deliver better. This is merely a suggesstion as I believe that may lead to stoppage of in-fighting court cases. We can also think of eligibility of contesting as those who have retired with a clean slate.
 
Comment: Dear Sabyasachi,

We are glad that you have found something good in the Association. Pensioner members were always eligible to participate in elections. Unfortunately, they had to be persuaded till the recent past, to submit their nominations. It is a good sign that more and more pensioner members are now wanting to fight elections, and serve the community of pensioners.
Those in leadership have not clung to power. There were no other willing pensioners.
The Association did not spend funds in court cases, unnecessarily. They had to do so, only when they were dragged there, by two individual candidates. The election is now being conducted within July, 2015, under the supervision of two court appointed special officers (Advocates).
Incidentally, your contention that younger pensioners will be more effective representatives of our Association, sounds very logical, but may not always be true. Older people should not be discarded if otherwise effective. Moreover, the Association is for all pensioners, old and young. It is important that those willing to serve the Association, come forward, irrespective of age.

G.venkatachalam wrote at 26-05-2015 7:49 pm:

 SBI Vs SBI Retirees.
Encomiums have been showered on the Chairman of SBI for alround improvement of SBI. May I request her to have a soft corner for the retirees and anon settle the issue of 100 % neutralisation of D A for the pre-2002 retirees and penstion updation on an urgent basis as the retiree species are one by one departing from this earth.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Venkatachalam,

We share your concern for the clan of pensioners.

Arunbha Das wrote at 25-05-2015 11:34 pm:

 Pension for dependables
In absence of a pensioner, wife is eligible to get family pension. Again, after the death of wife - will his/her unmarried daughter is eligible to get pension as a dependable member of the pensioner ? Besides circular nos. CDO/P+HRD-PM/87/2014-15 dt 04.03.2015 & CDO/P+HRD-PM/83/2012-13 dt. 04.03.2013 what are the other active circulars inconnection with Pension Payment for the pensioners / family pensioners / dependables - please advise.
 
Comment: Dear Arunabha,

You have rightly observed that an unmarried daughter is eligible to get family pension, upon the death of the first family pensioner, or in the event of prior death of such family pensioner, upon the death of the pensioner. The name of the dependent family member must have been furnished in the pension application form.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 25-05-2015 5:02 pm:

 7TH BIPARTITE-SBI & OTHERSV/S LINA GHOSH AND OTHERS
THANKS FOR PROMPT REPLY BY SHRI SUJOY KUMAR GHOSH.KINDLY CONFIRM TO US THAT CLAIM BY THE LEGAL HEIRS HAS BEEN LOADGED WITH THE BANK AND REACTION OF THE BANK IN THIS MATTER. K.R.SAINI
 
Comment: Dear Mr Saini,

The matter is not as simple as it appears. The Div Bench has given an order, observing that the order of the single Judge Bench can be presumed to have been complied with by the Bank. The Bank's counsel has also stated in the court that the late Salil Ghosh had been given all benefits of 7th Bipartite till his death. This statement itself is subject to challenge, after the petitioner's widow obtains a written confirmation from the Bank in this regard, and if there is any error, bring it to the notice of the court. Moreover, the order ( a copy of which is with us), specifically states that the it cannot be cited as a precedent.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 24-05-2015 8:41 pm:

 7th.BPs-Lina Ghosh vs SBI-CHC
Mr.Saini,No vakaltnama was given by Late Salil Ghosh to anyone else and I was present when the vakaltnama was given by the successors,Lina Ghosh,Saswata Ghosh and Sudikshna Sarkar,and in fact I have handed over the same to Mr. Haradhan Bannerjee as Saswata is far too busy to spare any time.Late Ghosh has not been paid the 7th.BP last pay pension calculation based pension.I am arranging to visit Lina Ghosh at their suburban home to collect copy of the pass book and other retirement papers.Meanwhile,since the Bank has averred in the Court of having paid the Justice Pathreya decreed 7th.BP pension, the 7th.BP pensioners/family may submit claims to the Bank with copies of the two Judgements.Please arrange to disseminate this to such pensioners. If possible please arrange to put up notices at Branches/PenAss Offices.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
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Thanks once again.

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