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SUHAS SHINGNE wrote at 16-07-2014 1:03 pm:

 PAN AND FORM 16
PLEASE CONVEY ME MAIL ID OF CSPPC KOLKATTA AND THEIR CONTACT NUMBERS
 

Shishir Kar (Website) wrote at 15-07-2014 3:20 pm:

 IInd Innings
Dear Shri S M Vairagade
Please send mail to dgm.ppg@sbi.co.in and attach whatever materials you want to subscribe to the 2nd Innings. Are you from Raipur, then you should know me.

Regards
Shishir Kar
Mob 7389143065
 

T.Raghunathan. wrote at 15-07-2014 1:56 pm:

 Fire at S B I Chennai
Perhaps,it was sheer luck or the fact that the spread of fire had been slow that there were no casualties or even none injured.The management announced that furniture and old files have been lost.
All data related to customers had a real time back-up .
 

sudhir madhukar vairagade wrote at 15-07-2014 12:57 pm:

 contribution to second inning magzine
I want to contribute in the next issue sketches drawn by me.Let me know on which page should i upload.

vairagade
 

T.Raghunathan. wrote at 14-07-2014 3:34 pm:

 Fire at S B I ,Chennai.
Saturday a major fire broke out in the 200 years old mejestic heritage building which once housed erstwhile Bank Of Madras,Imperial Bank Of India, S B I Madras L H O and S B I Madras Main Br.causing extensive damage to the structure.From hear only our S B I Pensioner,s Association (Chennai Circle) office is functioning.

Can anybody from Chennai explain the further developments after the unfortunate accident?
 
Comment: Dear Mr Raghunathan,
We are very sorry and shocked to hear aboit the accident. It hasnt been mentioned in the media. Were there any casualties or major loss ?

Ashutosh Saha (Website) wrote at 12-07-2014 8:03 pm:

 value of website of pensioners
canIt is my great pleasure to appreciate the value of this website presently living in Kuala Lampur leaving India last December. Honestly speaking . I open the website almost daily >Thanbk you very much SBI Pensioners Association Bengal Circle
 
Comment: Dear Asutosh,
We are very happy to receive such appreciation and encouragement. Do keep in touch.

ANIL K SAXENA wrote at 10-07-2014 8:46 am:

 Holiday home
New holiday home at Chennai
Can any one , provide me the New address, telephone number of Holiday Home at Chennai, as I came to know that the Holiday home, at Chennai has been shifted from Triplicane to some other place in a Hotel.Pl send a mail to saxenaak273@yahoo.co.in
 

ANIL K SAXENA wrote at 10-07-2014 6:49 am:

 New holiday home at Chennai
Can any one , provide me the New address, telephone number of Holiday Home at Chennai, as I came to know that the Holiday home, at Chennai has been shifted from Triplicane to some other place in a Hotel.
 

P.V.S.Sarma wrote at 07-07-2014 10:34 pm:

 Revision of Pension for V.R.S Optees Pending in Supreme Court Latest Position Extention of Medical Benefits upto 7 Lacs for V.R.S. optees
Thank U for Ur efforts in fighting the case reg. revision of Basic for V.R.S. optees through Supreme Court.
In the meanwhile,why can't you press our Management for enhancement of medical benefits upto 7 lacs as is being done for regular retirees. Why the partiality for V.R.S. retiirees
Can you pl.reply to my E Mail address stated above.
Thanking your early action with favourable reply
Sarmapvs
 

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 07-07-2014 8:47 am:

 Another development
The belowmentioned message is quoted from the LIC Pensioners' Forum. It is a good development favouring senior citizens:quote:

Dear Sir
Please go through the text of mail received as below about a Separate Supreme Court Bench to hear Cases filed by Sr. Citizens.
Regards
VK BHASIN
100% DA Case


Civil Appeal 8420-21/2013 filed by Sri Kasthurirangan & Others

One Member from Hydrabad informs that wef 1/7/2014, the Supreme Court has formed a separate Bench for hearing the Cases of Senior Citizens and he has forecast the above Appeal may be listed during Sept-Oct.
Lawyers handling the above Case have not yet received any information on the date of Listing. The Terminal List/Advance List/Cause List of the SC also does not bear the Case number to corroborate this view. Though the Appellants are Super-Senior Pensioners, the Case is always categorized as "SERVICE MATTERS" at all Courts causing inordinate delay in getting Justice accelerating anguish in the minds of thousands of elderly Pensioners who retired before 1/11/2002. However, it is gathered the Banks have been issued Notice.
Any further developments will be updated as soon as we receive the News!

(Transfer Petition filed by SBI for transferring WPs/WAs of SBI Pensioners at Madras High Court has been posted in the Supreme Court for hearing on 18/7/2014).

Posted by Gangadharan PG at 7/06/2014 07:45:00 PM
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 06-07-2014 3:19 pm:

 Cleaning material
SURESH CHHATRE wrote at 05-07-2014 11:07 pm:

As per Bank's instructions:-CO LETTER PA:CIR:58 31.10.94

Since the official has retired from Bank's service, supply of newspapers will stop on retirement. However, since cleaning materials and reimbursement of casual labour charges are made for maintenance of the Bank's property provided in the flat / house, these may be continued, as usual.
 

SURESH CHHATRE wrote at 05-07-2014 11:07 pm:

 clinsing material

one of my recetly retired friend retained his querter with approval for two months , can he claim his clensing material and labor charges for these two months
 

N. J. CHAVAN VICE PRESEDENT SBI PENSTIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 04-07-2014 9:04 pm:

 latest publications
I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR THE SBI PENSTIONERS ASSOCTION CHANDHIGARH AS THEY IMMEDEATIALY INFORM WHAT EVER NEW PUBLICATIONS RELEASESUCH AS SECOND INNINGS MONTHLY PERIODICALS WELL DONE KEEP IT UP
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chavan,
You have voiced the feelings of pensioners all over the country. Congrats to Chandigarh Circle Association.

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 04-07-2014 2:32 pm:

 IInd Innings Jan-Mar-2014
We have uploaded the IInd Innings Jan-Mar-2014, which you can download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website:
http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/
 

TNR Nair wrote at 04-07-2014 1:04 pm:

 Mobile fraudsters
Thank you, S S Kumaria, for the useful information on mobile fraudsters.
 

S.S.Ghosh (Website) wrote at 04-07-2014 8:57 am:

 Public Interest
Thank u Mr.Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle)
We have one online matrimonial AD-website named marriagepaper.com, we have about 3000 advertiser. We shall intimate all advertiser having email.
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 03-07-2014 10:33 pm:

 MUST SHARE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
Please pass around the message to your family and friends !!!
MUST SHARE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE

People have been receiving calls from +375602605281, +37127913091 or any number starting from +375, +371 number one ring & hang up. If you call back it's one of those Numbers that are charged 15-30$ & they can copy your contact list in 3sec & if you have bank or credit card details on your phone, they can copy that too, +375 is from Belarus From Afghanistan 371 is code for Lativa...

Don't answer or call back. Please FORWARD AND SHARE this to your friends and family

ANOTHER VERY IMP. MSG.. Don't Press #90 or #09 on Mobile No...

Please take care IF SOME ONE ASKS YOU TO DIAL #09 or #90.
Please Do Not Dial This When Asked.

Please circulate URGENTLY.

If you receive a phone call on your Mobile from any person saying that they are checking your mobile line, & you have to press #90 or #09 or any other number end this
call immediately without pressing any numbers.

There is a fraud company using a device that once you press #90 or #09 ; they can access your SIM card and make calls at our expense.


(From :- SBI ELDERS VOICE JUNE 2014)
 

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 02-07-2014 8:13 am:

 Pensioners
The LIC Pensioners' Forum has this interesting information.Quote:
Founder member and Patron of RIEA, Bhopal Shri S V Jejurikar, who has been in close contact of Shri Arun Jaitley for last several years, sought permission to have a personal meeting on 29th June ‘14. was fixed. It was informed by the Personal Accordingly Shri Pramod Bhatnagar, Jt. Secy RIEA Bhopal joined him.

On 29th June, 2014 Shri S V Jejurkar and Shri Pramod Bhatnagr met Shri Arun Jaitley at 1-45 PM. After exchange of greetings and some personal information Shri Jejurikar unfolded the envelope and immediately Shri Jaitley asked whether it is LIC pensioners’ representation. Shri Jejurikar asserted and handed over the representation and informed him about the twin issues of DR Anomaly and Pension Updation, LIC Board Resolution, Consecutive Court decisions in favour of the pensioners and still no relief to the hapless retired employees who contributed their best to build this mighty organisation as they are embroiled in SC on one or the other pretext by LIC. Shri Jejurikar urged for an early and favourable solution of the dual grievances by kind intervention of Hon’ble Finance Minister. Shri Jailtley gave a patient hearing and took some notings on the representation. He assured that he will collect the details of the issues from the department (Finance Ministry) and take up the matter with the Chairman, LIC. If necessary, he would invite representatives of LIC pensioners also. unquote. It is very clear that the FM is aware of the issues faced by pensioners in the financial sector. Let us hope for the best.
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R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 01-07-2014 8:43 am:

 SBI Pensioners
Sir,

It will be helpful if we are informed about the present status of the Cacutta High Court case with respect to the revision of basic pension for the 7th bipartite pensioners of SBI. In case the Division Bench gives us a favourable verdict, the Bank and the present Government may not go in appeal. The issue will be settled once and for all. We request for an update from Nr.Sujoy Ghosh.
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 30-06-2014 9:11 pm:

 Pensioners’ Mail July-2014
We have uploaded pdf file of Chandigarh Circles’ Monthly Bulletin Pensioners’ Mail for the month of July 2014.

Which you can download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website: http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/
 

Shyama Shankar Ghosh wrote at 30-06-2014 12:47 pm:

 Car Loan
Sir,

Pl let me know what is the rate of interest and total time period for car loan to pensioner?
Is there any circular for car loan to retired pensioner of SBI ? I am 60+ (21.9.1953)
 

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 29-06-2014 5:03 pm:

 Pensioners' loan
Sir What is the interest rate charged on the demand loan granted to us by way of demand loan recovered EMI ? The interest rate appears to be high.
 

P K GOPALAKRISHNAN (Website) wrote at 27-06-2014 11:32 am:

 Eduction Loan - Retired Staff
Dear Sir,
Apropos the letter appearing in your website I wish to inform the writter
that when I represented the issue in my own case in 2009 CGM of Kerala Circle turned down my request for concessional interest rate on ETL Retd Staff on the plea that Bank wnts to discourage retired employees from availing loans of any kind.Pension is paid for comfortable living of employee and spouse.By aviling loans instalments have to be paid out of pension amount.As such the employee has suffered much by way of heavy deductions and loan recoveries while in servicce.In the interest of the retired employee it is better not to avail further loans for wards in their life's fag end. Hence the strict rule by hte Bank not to extend any concessionary interest to retired staff for loan. Strange indded
P K Gopalakrishn
Retd SBI Officer
Kerala Circle
 
Comment: Dear Mr. Gopalakrishnan,
You are right that it is very unfair to pensioners, when Bank treats us differently from the serving employees, specially in regard to loans, interest rates, etc.

Let us hope and strive to remove these glaring anomalies.

MENINO FURTADO wrote at 24-06-2014 2:43 pm:

 PAYMENT OF RESIDUAL P.F. ON ACCOUNT OF INCREASE IN PF INTEREST RATES :
I am a retired SBI Pensioner from Madgaum, Goa. I go through your website often and find it very attractive with latest information. I have read the above mentioned news item recently. Please let me know the source of this news as nobody seems to be aware here. It would be nice if you could forward a copy of our Bank`s Circular in this regards.

Wish you all the best, Thanks.
 
Comment: Dear Menino,
Welcome to our site and thanks for your appreciation.
No circular has been issued, but CC has advised all LHO PPGs to arrange for payment of residual PF fund o/a interest increase. Please contact your Circle's PPG Deptt and the Br/office from where you had retired, if you are eligible.

Shishir Kar (Website) wrote at 24-06-2014 12:13 pm:

 e-filing of IT Return
I filed my Income Tax Return for the assessment year 2014-15 using the taxspanner site as given in the online sbi site and found it very easy and useful. Any word on this by any of our fellow pensioners.

Shishir Kar
 
Comment: Dear Shishir,
Thanks for sharing this useful information.

R.Viswanathan wrote at 24-06-2014 10:56 am:

 Educational Loan - Retired staff
The State Bank of India is charging high rate of interest for educational loan sanctioned to the Retired staff. While the working staff of S.B.I. have to pay 8% interest, the retired staff are paying at public rate of interest i.e. more than 13%. Are the Retired Employees getting pension more than the working staff salary.The management should show humanitarian towards retirees who have worked sincerely towards betterment of the
Institution. The S.B.I. pensioner Assn
is requested to take up the matter with the
Management.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Viswanathan,
You are right. We pensioners deserve many facilities. Our Federation is constantly trying to enhance the areas of relief for pensioners. Medical benefits are increasing. Let us see what emerges in other areas.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 19-06-2014 7:53 pm:

 7th.BPs
Admin.-Your comment of the 13th.June 2014 on the post of Sri A.R.Chandrasekharan.I believe that there is no confusion on my identity because the font used by me is different from that of the Admin.Everyone posting their views on this site are aware of each others identity as pensioners.The font of the Admin. is different from that of the pensioners.We also expect the Admin. in being fair in removing posts from this site and being impartial which I believe you would like to be without any bias towards anyone.This site is a great boon for the SBI pensioners,lonely and sometimes alone as they are.Let us all keep it unpolluted ,without bias or partiality.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
You will kindly appreciate, as would others, the need to keep this site fair, impartial and free from controversial posts. Hence some posts may have to be edited or removed.

V V Ramachandran wrote at 19-06-2014 9:38 am:

 TDS
CSPPC has deducted tax on my pension in Apr this year;true tax rules state that tax to be deducted based on last year income [I have submitted tax plan to avoid tax that year];it is imperative to note TDS to be effected once the income for that Fin year exceeds the limit and or no savings plan has been uploaded before that period. Could you please take up the issue with them
 
Comment: Dear Mr Ramachandran,
We suggest that you involve your local Association and the Branch involved, in your effort to seek a remedy. If the tax deducted has already been deposited by the Branch to the Govt,. you will have to seek a refund from the Income tax authority, while submitting your I Tax return.

A.R,Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 18-06-2014 5:27 pm:

 Email ID
Dear Sir,

I regret for the omission in the ID and give the correct one (arcsekhar09@gmail.com) I also suggest that every sender should give his ID so that direct contact could be easy to appreciate the posts.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
We have acted upon your suggestion, and have requested readers to mention their e mail ids. in their posts. We have made this request at the top of the page. Thanks for your suggestion.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 18-06-2014 1:51 pm:

 Sender's Email ID
Dear Sir,

A suggestion. It will be much appreciated if you could kindly give the Email ID of the sender along with his name so that any one who wants to thank him will be directly doing it without using the web site. Some good suggestion needs appreciation.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandraekharan,
The senders' email ids are available to us, in the posts sent. We suggest that the readers insert their email ids in their posts.

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 17-06-2014 8:47 am:

 7th Bi-partitie SBI Pensioners
Dear Sir,

The positive trend is obvious with the change in the government at the Centre. The IBA also has become pro active as it has sent a proposal for 100 percent DA neutralisation to the Government.
If we get a favourable verdict from the Division Bench at Calcutta, the Bank will not go for an appeal again, most probably. Hence, we request Mr.Salil Ghosh to focus on the case.
Pension updation: IBA is apprehensive. It is not clear whther their apprehension is based on concrete data. It will be helpful if the UFBU comes out with the cost aprticulars. Also, the IBA and the Government should be made to realise that they can avoid a situation when they will have to pay huge arrears in case the Pensioners" cases are favourably decided upon. We feel that updation with effect from the Xth Bipartite settlement date will bury past litigation and soothe the heartburns of the harassed Bank Pensioners.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 15-06-2014 9:41 am:

 7th.BPs
Mr.Chavan-Please read'your'instead of 'you' as the first word.Sujoy Ghosh
 

Rohit Sharma. wrote at 14-06-2014 9:00 pm:

 7th B.P. V.R.S.
1. This is the only pensioner's website that is so actively responding to the cause of the pensioner. In past too Bengal Circle has been the torch bearers of the award staff federation and the sup. staff association. I am much indebted to the promoters of this website to have the pensioners informed of all the developments.
 
Comment: Dear Rohit,

Thanks for your appreciation. We shall also appreciate constructive criticism, but not beyond that.

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 14-06-2014 8:46 pm:

 7th BP isssue
A well-said and well clarified reply to Mr Chavan's views expressed in the above context. All the aggrieved retirees's minds are occupied only by this issue and their only hope everyday when they wake up in the morning is whether they will hear any consoling news regarding their pension issue atleast today and when they will get justice and when their sufferings and mental agony will come to an end. This is the only platform where they can ventilate their feelings which is shared by many who are similarly placed. Therefore there is no surprise that this particular website devoted to the READERS our Bank Pensioners is flooded with posts which I would say not enormous compared to the number of the affected. Regarding the other petty issues/problem faced by them there are Pensioners Assn in each circle where they go for help and so many other issues or views get clarified during the pensioners meetings organised by the pensioners assn in each circle. You will see a substantial drop in such posts once the issue get settled. As correctly pointed out elsewhere the site should not be used for slandering and for finding fault and blaming others. I am very happy for the apt reply given by Shri Sujoy.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,
We are fellow sufferers. We fully empathize. We are glad that our website has become an ideal platform for pensioners to debate and express their views and feelings. It will be sad if the number of posts drop, for whatever reason. Please keep writing.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 14-06-2014 6:56 pm:

 7th.BPs
Mr.Chavan-you post of 14.06.2014-I appreciate your feeling about the posts on this site which are also from the deprived/denied and discriminated against 7th.BPs and those of the 5th.and 6th.BPs who have been treated in a more beggarly fashion by the Bank/GOI.I wonder whether I have anything else to share with others in this state of mind at,least at this moment of agony except to share it with others on this common platform without giving them any cause for any umbrage.Once I get my dues,if at all, effective date of retirement I will definitely respond differently.I,and maybe some others similarly placed want to move a greater body of persons,the Penfed,to highlight our situation.The 50% issue is neither here nor there because it may not be effective from the dates of our retirements.So Mr.Chavan and the site Admin.,kindly bear with us.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
We in the Assocn, are not outsiders. We are fellow sufferers. We share your feelings and empathize with you. All that we have stated is that we should have faith in the collective strength of 14 Assocns and our Federation, instead of submitting individual representations. Please keep writing.

N. J. CHAVAN VICE PRESEDENT SBI PENSTIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 14-06-2014 8:23 am:

 PENSTIONERS WEBSITE
I AM REALY DISAPPOITED DURING THE LAST 15 DAYS DUE TO THE PRESENTATIONS MADE /UPLODED IN THIS SIT THE REVISTIN OF PENSTION IS ONE OF THE ISSUE OF THE PAENSTIONERS BUT IT IS NOT AT ALL DURING LAST 15 DAYS ALL ABOUT PENSTION REVISTION AND COMMETS THERE ARE SOMANY GOOD THINS FOR PENSTIONERS TO SHARE THEIR EXPERINCE IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE ANDGOD INFORMATION THE SITE SHOULD NOT GIVEN MUCH MORE IMPORTANCE FOE PENSTIOIN RELATED ISSUESAND SHOULD HAVE DECOREM
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chavan,

We share your disappointment. Unfortunately, we have no control over the type or quality of posts submitted to this website. We can, at best modify or delete some posts, which violate norms of decorum. Moreover, as this is the official website of our Association, we can only furnish the collective views of our organization. However, of late, we have been receiving some posts, which are intended to settle personal scores, or voice resentment against some particular leaders of the Association/Federation.
We have repeatedly clarified that this website should not be used for settling individual scores. Criticism is welcome, but not unhealthy ones.
Please keep writing.

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 13-06-2014 12:16 pm:

  Website communication
Previous to my communication I saw a message regarding certain pension rules for the removal or objecting to those provisions a prayer has been filed with Delhi Hc by our PENFED but when I came back to view that message in the Website it was not there perhaps you would have removed it from the site. I/most of the pensioners may not be aware or may not be knowing the implications. Can You say a few words about it? Sorry to bother With regards SUBRAMANIAN
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,
The post was removed as people shouldnt use this site for slandering. This site welcomes criticism but not slandering.

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 13-06-2014 11:33 am:

 7th BP
Sirs I am of the strong view that revision of pension to 50% of the average pay drawn during the immediately preceding 12 months before retirement as being fought for and being claimed by PENFED uniformly for all the pensioners irrespective of the BP agreements by which the pensioners are covered is absolutely in order for 2 reasons: 1. The pension rules provide for it No2. The Bank in 2002 has in its proposal to Government recommended for revision of pension to 50% on which the Govt has not acted upon. The bank would not have recommended unless it falls within the frame work of SBI Pension Rules and if they had not had the conviction that the pensioners' demand is genuine . Then why the shift to the 50%/40% formula-- Govt's interference and there also the Govt prevented the Bank from extending the revision to persons retired before Oct. 2002. There should be no compromise on this issue i.e 50% pension as PENFED has already taken a stand and if we back out at this stage on no point of time in future we can approach either the Bank or Govt for 50% pension which will be detrimental not only to all the existing pensioners but will be carried over to the coming generation of pensioners..However if PNEFED is not able to succeed in their efforts let us accept the decision as there would be no other alternative. One more favorable point in our favor is sanction of family pension on 7th BP scale to the spouse of the retirees deceased drawing pension on 6th BP scale which is absolutely illogical.That does'nt mean I am against it but am quite happy about it for it adds one more positive point to put forth during presentation of our issues before the Govt during the joint meeting.
Highly hopeful of a positive ending of this game which is being played for long and wishing for a early favorable solution for the pensioners. With best regards.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,
We agree with your considered views and appreciate the feelings behind it.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 13-06-2014 9:25 am:

 Appreciation
Dear Mr.Sujoy,

I appreciate your reply to Mr.Gudi, Aand thank you. ARC
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
You may be under the impression that Shri Sujoy Ghosh is administering this website. He is not. He is a pensioner friend of our Association, and is very actively concerned with issues concerning pensioners, specially the 7th Bipartite injustice.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 13-06-2014 9:00 am:

 Pension Issues
Dear Mr.SijoyGhosh,

At the outset I sincerely thank you for your frank and convincing replies to my questi ons as well others too. Faith is different from criticism.If I criticise it is not that I have no faith in the Organisation. It only gives chances to correct provided it is correct. To quote an example the PenFed Gen.Sec refusing to take up the anamoly of 7th separately for the past 15 years and connects it to 50% is neither convincing nor acceptable.We criticise his way of reasoning for not taking up the action in time. This does not mean that I have no faith. He should see the merits and demerits and try to correct.One cannot be an on looker when a mistake is done deliberately. So, please understand that those who criticise are persons who have no faith. Mr.Ghosh once again thank you and who ever speaks the truth and does sincerely are not needed in the organisation is a known fact. Hence, I am happy to have a few days touch with you through the web site and appreciate your frank views as reply to the questions. All the best. Yours sincerely ARC
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
We think that there is some confusion about your assuming that our friend Sujoy Ghosh's posts in this site, are those of the Administrator. They are not. Sujoy's views are his personal ones. Our view is that of our Association, and reflect our collective view point. We therefore suggest that you reply or interact with individual pensioners separately, and correspond with the Association alone, on this website. You can definitely have dialogues on pension related matters with fellow pensioners. But when there is confusion about which is a personal opinion, and which is the Association's collective opinion, you may first get it clarified. Please keep writing.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 12-06-2014 6:33 pm:

 Pension - Sripad Gudi
Dear Sir,

I refer you to Mr.Gudi's mail and join his hands and have the same question. Wehn a person is alive the Bank refuses to pay him pension on the last drawn salary but pays his family pension on the basis of the last drawn salary. Will it be a gesture or good will shown to the family for the services rendered by the retiree. So, it is evident that the Bank is delberately doing the delay tactics to pay the actual pension. PenFed is only a on looker and GS clearly said that if any one is asking he simply tells that we have filed a case and we have to wait for the judgement. So, he has done his job and where we can go and cry for the bed. Perhaps God.

 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
If you have lost faith on our Federation, you may choose methods other than using this website to condemn it. We believe that the Federation has been striving, within limitations (of not being a trade union) and whatever positive has happened for pensioners so far (like enhancement of the erstwhile ceiling from Rs 1000 to Rs 2400, starting of Family pension, etc.) has happened because of its active efforts, and whatever hasnt happened, hasnt despite its efforts. You may agree, or may not. You are entitled to your views.

Shripad Gudi wrote at 12-06-2014 1:42 pm:

 7th Bipapartite Pensioners - Family Pension
While the 7th pensioner gets his pension based on the 6th BP disposition, the family pension is computed on the basis of 7th BP Scales. Strange! but yet a welcome situation
 
Comment: Dear Shri Gudi,
In order to benefit from such a ridiculously anomalous situation, the pensioner has to die and wait for the spouse to get revised FP.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 12-06-2014 1:00 pm:

 8th Retiree Pension consists of 7th salary too
Dear Sir,

I may please be advised how the Bank which rejects the formula of 50/40 on the last drawn salary for7th but takes into calculations the salary of 7th and 8th for the retiree who retired after 31.10.2002.
7th retiree is not entitle pension on his last salary whereas 8th retiree gets the last 12 months which consists of 6 months period in 7th which the Govt did not give approval. How the union and Federation agreed this? Is it not an anamoly Sir.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
You are right about the absurd situation of 7th BP retirees. The plea given by Govt is that it was as per a Bipartite settlement which cant be reversed. It is a fact that the two employees' Federations were parties to that settlement and their representatives put their signatures. In fact, one High Court has recently opined that they will not adjudicate on matters settled in Bipartite Agreements. So much for the contribution of those Federations to the cause of Pensioners. But let us not blame our own Federation.

N.Subramanians (Website) wrote at 12-06-2014 11:19 am:

 In continuation of Mr ARC's communication dt 12-6-2014
Sirs I reproduce below the relevant information sought for by Sri T V Jayakrishnan on 11-6-2014 REF:Elders'Voice Magazine brought OUT BY SBI PENSIONERS' ASSN (Chennai Circle) Oct 2013 issue Editorial Page 6 para 4 <<<< Our bank did make its efforts to remove the above wrong perception . In its proposal dated 30-10-2002, recommending the payment of pension at 50% of pay to all its eligible pensioners,it has furnished in detail how the officials of our bank are placed >The Govt continues to ignore all these reasoned recommendations and enforces its power and authority on our Bank. Even its recent proposal backed up by its Board Resolution for the revision of pension to pre 1-11-1993 pensioners retired drawing pay as per Fifth and Sixth BP Wage settlements is yet to be cleared by the Government >>>
I think that the matter is clear.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,
You are right in stating that our Bank management had done their bit, in recommending not only enhanced pension, at various times, but also the enhanced gratuity. However, the Govt. or rather, some bureaucrats have put spanners and frustrated the efforts of pensioners. Let us see what the future holds for us pensioners.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 12-06-2014 9:08 am:

 SBI Board Resolution
Dear Sir,

I refer to the mail of Mr.T.V.Jayakrishnan and request him to talk to Mr.Murthy, the General Secretary of the Federationn since he will be the right person to clarify his doubt. Only after getting correct information I have given mail and in case if it is otherwise I stand to correct myself. But I am sure the Reoslution was passed. To stream line the retirees pension up to 1993 this Resolution was passed and on this and the Govt. asked the Bank to furnish scertain documents for verification.
Further, I understand the reason that why the PenFed is not taking up the 7th case separately is due to the occupation of the post of GS in some other circles and EC members in other circles are above scale IV and they do not want to solve the issue for 7th at the existing formula of 50/40 since they are the losers. Will you please through some light on this. with regards
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
Let us wait for the outcome of the Fed's dialogues with the Govt and the Chairman. Despite all resolutions and recommendations of the Bank, the Govt has so far proved to be the biggest hurdle in the way of pensioners.

Jayakrishnan T V wrote at 11-06-2014 9:21 pm:

 5th & 6th Bipartite and Board Resolution
I refer to Mr.ARCs mail(11th June 2014-3.50 p.m.). I am not aware whether SBI Board had passed any such resolution in favour of 5th & 6th Bipartite retirees (for enhancement of pension)

Is this not a case similar to what LIC pensioners are fighting for. Their contention is that once a resolution is passed by the Board, the Govt. cannot negative it. I think most of our members are aware that LIC Pensioners got favourable judgement in Rajasthan High Court and now pending in Supreme Court.

Last week they met Smt. Nirmala Sitharaman, Honourable Minister of State, Govt. of India.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Jayakrishan,
As stated by you, the LICI case has still not resulted in any positive outcome. But it is a very relevant case for pensioners in SBI. Let us see what comes out of fresh approaches of our Federation to the Chairman and the new Govt.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 11-06-2014 3:50 pm:

 Pension issue of 5th and 6th
Dear Sir
I was all along asking about the fate of 7th only. But whereas the 5th and 6th position is not known till date. The Board of SBI passed a Resolution and forwarded to the then Govt. but it was not apporoved till date. Sir, can a Board of a Premier Bank pass a Resolution without obtaining at least a oral approval. what is the stand of penfed. will it not speak bad of the institution.I hope a Govt. representative wii be present in the meeting. what did our PenFed do in the matter. Leave alone 7th At least PenFed should have taken care of this.But it is silent. Will it be possible for you through some light on this. The number may not be that much when compared with the 7th. At least the PenFed should have taken up the matter with the Chairman and got approval of it. At least they could have had the benefit. Am I right Sir?

 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
The retirees of Bipartites prior to 7th BP(those who survive) were also given a raw deal as their pension was restricted by ceilings. It was the PenFed's case in the Supreme Court of 1987, which resulted in raising the erstwhile absurd ceiling from Rs 1000 to Rs 2400 and also introduction of Family Pension w.e.f. 1986. Our Fed is also trying its best to get the remaining anomalies of pensioners, including those of the 7th BP, resolved. So let us not lose faith in de Fed.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 11-06-2014 11:07 am:

 7th Pension issue
Dear Mr.Ghosh, Good morning. I thank you on behalf of Mr.NS and self for your response without feeling tired in our correspondence. If the Chairman or her representatives represents the ensuing talks to be held on 13th with IBA/Govt/Federations/Finance Ministry and by luck they offer to SBI that 50/40 will be approved what will be the reaction of the PenFed. Will they accept or reject and stand at their own stand. Now the DA case is of course in SC filed by Canara Bank/Bank of Baroda/IOB. However Mr. Jusstice Jain before he laid down the Office gave a verdict on 24th January (date may be wrong) that there should be no discrimination as far as DA is concerned since the prices in the market are not as per post one held in Kallakurich case.But it was set aside by the Chennai High court. But one thing is not known to me whether the High Court has got the mandate or power to give a verdict against the SC is my doubt. However, now the case is in SC. I understand from the petitioner that the SC has given a oral direction to the Managements to pay the DA by themselves without the intervention of SC direction or verdict. I also got confirmed news from the petitioners that the Banks are working on cost and only they await the date of implementation. So, any day the good news may be pronounced. I have no evidence other than what I have stated supra but a reliable news. Will the Federation of ours will at least agree for 50/40 and request DA to be approved. Becuase Mr.Murthy even when he addressed a meeting at Chennai Zonal Office went on sticking to 50% but now coming down from his stand. this he has told me several times that if any one wants they should file a contempt petition against Bank based on 1989 judgement and also a separate case for 50/40 and the Federation will not fight for 7th. Of course, now he may differ.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,
We request you to address your posts to us, as this is the official website of our Association. If you want to exchange your views with any fellow pensioners, where our participation is not desired, you may send e mails directly to them. You may keep writing to us on pension related matters.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 11-06-2014 10:58 am:

 Discrimination 567
Mr.Ns and Admin- The 7th.BPs and discrimination are not in isolation.The 5th and 6th.get included.And highlighting the discrimination is a very major factor.As far as individual appeals are concerned political parties come to power from individual preferences and expectation and not on en bloc expressions.Similarly large number of affected persons appealing for equality does have an impact adding to the group activity with similar objective.As NS has observed can the agenda not be shared thru' such a site and that does not mean that all opinions and views will be catered to.As Mr.NS has mentioned at least,for whatever comfort one derives,one can ventilate one self and this has turned out to be the best meeting place.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
We are glad to find that you have reiterated that this website is a very good meeting place. We however do not agree that individual representations on collective issued can impact the Govt. or other authorities. Let us strengthen & even influence the voice of the Pen Fed instead of bypassing it.

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 11-06-2014 9:31 am:

 7th BP
Sirs Our intention is not to point out that 7th BP retirees are the most affected.The retirees covered by 6th and 5th Bp agreements had also been equally perhaps affected more & the still alive who perhaps may be in their 80s and a few in their nineties.But the number of retirees under 7th BP are more than 25000. The basic pension maximum after a revision in 1989 had not been revised for the past 20 years and after an upward revision has not covered the retirees under 7th 6th and 5th BP agreements. I agree that representation by a collective body ,PENFED will yield results. But no sign of any such thing happening. .In the meantime IBA I understand has called the Bank Federations for talks which it appears is going to take place during the current week. Do we have any idea of the Federations' demands for the Pensioners?.Atleast anything is in their agenda? Whether the SBI working staff federations have consulted us before presenting Pensioners case to MGTS/GOVT/IBA. Whether the PENFED has also been involved in the negotiations not actively atleast as an observer? My only wish is whatever that had happened in the past should not get repeated . If we are unable to get the things done in this favorable new Govt's regime perhaps we may not be able to get the things done at anytime in future. The entire matter now rests with PENFED,Bank Federatins,IBA,SBI Mgt,and Govt and the final outcome depends upon the success of the negotiations. Highly hopeful of a positive final outcome to end the pensioners woes.I am very happy that this READERS WRITE HERE provides a good opprtunity at least to ventilate one's feelings and views for which I thank U much. With regards N SUBRAMANIAN
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,
Although we are not banking on it, but the demands of the serving employees' federations, for the 10th Bipartite settlement, include the expectations of pensioners.
As many as 33,000 pensioners of 7th bipartite (the number is so large, as it includes the large number of VRS optees) were cheated to accept pension calculated on their pre revised 6th Bipartite salaries.
Our Federation will approach the Govt. and also the Chairman, for resolving the issues which are resolvable.
Please keep writing. Its a pleasure to receive your posts and respond to them.

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