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V k Arora wrote at 19-03-2014 10:15 am:

 REMBS
Is Amount spent on domicialalry treatment in March payable in April from the ceiling of 1% under REMBS.




 
Comment: Dear Mr Arora,
The bill has to be submitted within 31st March, in order to be accounted for in the financial year. Bills submitted from April onwards will be accounted for in the next financial year.

GOURAV KALE wrote at 18-03-2014 11:11 am:

 CORRECTED VERSION OF WRITING OF N.J.CHAVAN !
N. J. CHAVAN VICE PRESIDENT SBI PENSIONERS ASSOCIATION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 18-03-2014 10:34 am:
SBI PENSION PROVISION CORPUS
IT IS SAID THAT SBI PETITION CORPUS IS RS 37000'/ (CRORES ?) SOME WHERE IN ARTICLES IT IS SAID THAT IT IS RS27000/ (CRORES ?) RECENTLY FEDERATION PEOPLE PARTICULARLY GOKHALE FROM OUR CIRCLES I E BOMBAY MEET CHAIRMAN SMT ARUNDHAT BHATTACHARY FOR UPDATION OF OUR PENSION CHAIRMAN REPLIED THAT IF IT IS TO BE IMPROVED THE PROVISION HAS TO BE MADE FOR THAT WHEN HUGE FUNDS ARE LYING AND WITH THIS BANK CAN PAY HIGHER PENSION WHAT IS THE NEED FOR PROVISION MOREOVER THE PENSION SCHEME IN BANKING AND GOT STOPPED FROM 1/1/2004 HENCE THE HUGE FUND LYING WITH SBI THE UPDATATION IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE BANK MANAGEMENT SHOULD PURSUE THE GOVT
 

N. J. CHAVAN VICE PRESEDENT SBI PENSTIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 18-03-2014 10:34 am:

 SBI PENSTION PROVISION CORPUS
IT IS SAID THAT SBI PENSTION CORPUS IS RS 37000'/ SOME WHERE IN ARICLES IT IS SAID THAT IT IS RS27000/ RECENTLY FEDERATION PEOPLE PARICULARLY GOKHALE FROME OUR CIRCLES I E BOMBAY MEET CHAIRMAN SMT ARUNDHAT BHATTACHARY FOR UPDATION OF OUR PENSTION CHARMAN REPLYED THAT IF IT IS TOBE IMPROVE THE PROVISTION HAS TO BE MADE FOR THAT WHEN HUGE FUNDS ARE LYING AND WITH THIS BANK CAN PAY HIGER PENSTION WHAT IS THE NEED FOR PROVISION MOREOVER THE PENSTION SCHEME IN BANKING AND GOT STOPED FROME 1/1/2004 HENSE THE HUGE FUND LYING WITH SBI THE UPADATION IS NOT IMPOSIIBLE BANK MANAGEMENT SHOULD PERSUE THE GOVT
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 17-03-2014 10:13 am:

 Federation pension case at Delhi high Court
I suppose a Representative of the PenFed /PenAss of this Circle will be attending the Court on the 18th.March 2014.Can we expect an update by late evening of the same date?Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,

The case came up today and has been posted on 17th April for commencement of hearing. Affidavits from parties have been received.

PRIYA BRATA CHAKRABARTI (Website) wrote at 16-03-2014 9:20 pm:

 PENSIONER'S ISSUE RAISED BY UFBU ON 13TH & 14TH MARCH 2014
Bipartite talks between IBA and UFBU held on 13th March 2014 - Pension related issues.
Bipartite talks were held between IBA and UBFU on 13th March 2014, at Mumbai. Pension related issues were also discussed in the meeting. UBFU has issued a circular regarding the bipartite talks. Contents from the UFBU circular pertaining to the pension issues are reproduced below.
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On our demand for improvement in the Family Pension scheme, extension of 100% DA formula to pre-2002 pensioners, etc., IBA was considerate and agreed to work out the cost implications to enable them to take a view on these demands. To our demand on periodical updation of pension on occasions of wage revision, IBA felt that the issue has to be examined, in its entirety, looking at the cost involved, outflow, etc. On reverting to old pension scheme from NPS, IBA expressed their inability to accede to our demand but we reiterated the same.
 
Comment: Dear Priyabrata,

Thanks for ur update. The response of IBA to the pension related issues reportedly raised by UFBU, cannot be regarded as very positive. In fact, they seem evasive. We have become cynical because of what history has taught us.

PC MUDI wrote at 15-03-2014 2:47 pm:

 State Bank Enterprise Messaging System/SBI EMS
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Sir,

I had referred to erstwhile available SBI MAIL/ subsequently changed to SBI EMS as detailed in the subject caption.

Regards,
P/C/MUDI
 

Antony dcouto wrote at 14-03-2014 10:53 pm:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
I am happy to read the "COMMENT" that my contributions have not been seen as denigratory.In fact I had no intention of having such a long line of communication. I was impressed by your website and thought i will use it to vent my opinion!! In fact it was my fear that sometimes the thin web between constructive criticism and denigration could be broken if the perceptions are not understood that made me seek a one to one on emails!!!! Your website is really a great instrument of exchange and i agree should not be used in any negative way. thanks all the same for the opportunity.
ATTN MR L.R. VAID
yOU HAVE TO EXERCISE YOUR OPTION TO COMMUTE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RETIREMENT.I DONT THINK THIS CONDITION HAS UNDERGONE ANY CHANGE. YOU CAN PLEASE CHECK.
 
Comment: Dear Antony,

Thanks for your response. We welcome criticism, but as you have rightly pointed out, a decision in this regard, is likely to be subjective. We therefore suggest that readers do not use the website for settling scores, and thereby, help in preserving the norms of decency, expected from senior citizens like us.
Please keep contributing.

L.R.VAID wrote at 14-03-2014 9:36 pm:

 Commutation of Pension
I retired from bank service on 30-09-2011. Can I apply for commutation of Pension at this stage, if yes, what commutation factor is applicable to me
 

L.R.VAID wrote at 14-03-2014 9:16 pm:

 Pensioners portal
Other Income/Interest Income declaration column be introduced in the Pensioners Investment portal so that proportional income tax can automatically be deducted from pension every month.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 14-03-2014 1:56 pm:

 7th.BPs..cont.
Mr Rohit-Another issue is that the CJ has asked for citing a case similar to the one of Mr.Salil Ghosh which will determine and facilitate him in deciding the issue.His lawyer is ready and when the next date is fixed on the CJ joining we may look forward to it.Sujoy Ghosh
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 14-03-2014 12:49 pm:

 7th.BPs-b/f
How would a bribery case under the PofCor Act take 30years to be settled at Supreme Court after travelling from the lower courts.Rs.265/-??!!Jail term of three years mandatory but because of the delay the Sup.Court fined only Rs.50000/-!!5.Advocates in India are masters at this delaying tactics and advising their clients according to what they want to hear!You would know that?What about Subrata Roy? So called great lawyers like RJ and RD advised him not to make any appearance at the SC for the last about one and half years and now where is he residing??Justice Stewart of England has commented that in India it takes about 20years to finally settle a case whereas in England it takes about 2 to 3 years till the highest court.Remember insider trading of Raja Ratnam/Mr.R.Gupta ex ofMackinsey-settled and punished in the three years at the last appeal in the US.6.How many 'time petitions do you file to prolong a case when you have a weak case of your client e.g in a recent divorce case the husband did not appear for the last two years and when the ex-parte date was fixed his lawyer suddenly appears and says that they have not received any intimation;how did he appear on the ex-parte date?And another date was fixed.7.Master/Servant relation ship is well established.The Banks lawyer will advise as the ownwrs/GOI want.8.Certainly-You would get the figures of the Bank/GOI.Balance it against the outgo for the 5th.6th. and 7th.BPs and put it to the media.We would like to know.9.By natural attrition the 7th.BPs will leave the world without even a day's benefit from the largese of the 7th.basic pay and pension thereon.10 & 11.Let the Good Lords decide that! Who are we mere mortals!? My Learned Friend--As an Advocate you know the benefits of prolonging cases!!?? But never say die.Cheer up and Cheers.Sujoy Ghosh
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 14-03-2014 12:47 pm:

 7th.BPs
Mr.Rohit and Mr.A dcouto-This refers to your posts of the 13th.March.I am delighted at the response of my Learned friend-Mr.Rohit:1.By 'being sold out' does not connote anything adverse and read against the subsequent settlements spells out the unfairness meted out to us.Having got the settlement of the 7th.BPs why would the GOI want to now increase the expenses of it's entity?2.The case in the courts where the CJ is a part or single, others are having their case shifted to other Judges and the HC is functioning accordingly;in the instant case,the Bank's Lawyer has not yet furnished the Paper Book to Mr.Salil Ghosh's lawyer although more than six months have passed.The CJ wanted a copy which was submitted to the Court but the petitioner has been denied it.Mr.Salil Ghosh has been trying to obtain one since then.3. The 'Bank' is not the owner of the Bank.The owners are trying to deny/delay the whole issue.Refer Prem Vati Bagga case at Delhi High Court-altough the Bank has furnished figures that it has adequate funds the case lingers on at the instance of the owners/and their lawyers.4.The role of the Pensioners Federation is limited to the facts of the case and the tardy justice delivery system prevailing in the country.
 

P C MUDI wrote at 14-03-2014 11:20 am:

 SBI EMS &ONLINE BOOKING OF HOLIDAY HOMES ?
Sir,
It is most hapless situation , in particular, in SBI, where the services of EMS is discontinued after retirement.I am not convinced with practices of doing so. It is also not known what breach of secrecy or anything else is being in jeopardy in case of allowing continuation of this facility ?
2. Holiday Home bookings are still on manual path where the system e- working is the key for making many issues transparent and easy accessibility to employees both existing and retired. Would please raise these issues with the managemnt ?
 
Comment: Dear Mr Mudi,

You have possibly referred to the Employees' Mutual Welfare Scheme (EMWS). It is true that the scheme was benefiting many pensioners, despite the meagre amounts given. The two serving Employees' Associations and Federations should strive to restore the scheme, and make it less cumbersome and more attractive.
You are right that online booking of H Homes will make it very useful to many pensioners though very few of them are Internet savvy.

Antony dcouto wrote at 14-03-2014 8:14 am:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
DEAR ROHIT,
IT IS INTERESTING TO KNOW YOU ARE A PRACTICING ADVOCATE. i HAD IN MY EARLIER POST TO YOU ON THIS WEBSITE OFFERED TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THE EMAIL . NOW I REQUEST YOU TO SEND ME YOUR MAIL I.D SINCE I FEEL IT WILL BE USEFUL TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE EXCHANGE. MY MAIL I.D. IS dcouto.antony@gmail.com. i look forward to your response. regards dcouto
 
Comment: Dear Antony,

We appreciate your view about the need to have one to one discussion on such issues. A public website like ours, has to follow certain norms, and it should not be used to vent negative feelings towards fellow pensioners. Divergent views and criticism are welcome, but denigration is not. You havent done it, but some others are.

pmgkpanicker wrote at 13-03-2014 8:45 pm:

 7 th b.p pensioners
dear mr. rohit,
you are absolutely correct. our federation has not taken timely action from the initial stage . they are the agent of bank,s management. otherwise this will not happend
 
Comment: Dear Mr Panicker,

Please refrain from using this website for casting aspersions on the Pensioners' Associations or Federation. You have the democratic right to express differences of opinion. But certain norms ought to be followed by fellow pensioners.

suresh chhatre PF no 1330381 wrote at 13-03-2014 8:32 pm:

 HOLIDAY HOME
Sir , Please refer Shri Pradyot Kumar Goswami letter on Holiday Home.
when we were in service due to non availability leave reservation at HH was not possible, after retirement we find that though we are having sufficient time ,and even submitting the application in time, there is remote possibility of getting it. Because there is no transparency in system. No body can check the register. No "First come first served" criteria. No quota for retired personal. SUB BHAGWAN BHAROSE
 
Comment: Dear Suresh,

Your comments are valid. There is a lot of scope for improvement and for ensuring a better deal for pensioners as far as Holiday Homes are concerned.

Rohit Sharma. wrote at 13-03-2014 6:48 pm:

 7th B.P. Pesnioners.
1. How do you say that we were sold out by our federation ? What makes the bank averse to the 7th B.P.pensioners ?

2. If the C.J. is suffering from cancer that does not mean the whole business of the H.C. comes to stand still ?

3. There is no doubt that the bank is interested in giving the due benefits. But then who is that who wants to deliberately devoid such pensioner's rights ?

4. Never have seen such lethargic approach of pensioners federation.

5. They have nincompoop advocates who are just after the dole of money and sharing it with all who are bent upon to prolong this matter as long as they can do.

6. Even I am a practicing advocate with the Gujarat High Court and a Master in Law degree. I see that the bunch of advocates hired by the pensioners federations are not functionally aware of the the pension rules of S.B.I.

7. Even the bank's law officers are hand in gloves and give wrong interpretations of the existing rules to the top management. They are on contract and hence they seem to gain commission from allotting work to other advocates.

8. can any one file an R.T.I. with the bank and find out how much money they have dolled out in engaging such advocates fighting against the pensioner's interest.

9. This is becoming too much for the 7th B.p. pensioner's.

10. May Shame befall on the bank management and the federations leaders.

11. May God also give them hell in their life for making innocent pensioners who have unfortunately fallen in their trap. The bank did indeed hoodwinked such award staff members.





 
Comment: Dear Rohit,

We are confused by your comments. Please do not interpret our statement of facts in such a negative manner. Let us make united efforts to ensure justice for pensioners. We are not in agreement with your conclusions.

Antony dcouto wrote at 13-03-2014 6:17 pm:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
Dear Sujoy Ghosh,
This refers to your post in this web site. I am not sure where we met but I was in Mobile Inspection as AGM in 1994-1996 and have made many trips to our Staff College. ghosh being a common name in Bengal im not able to place you but thanks all the same for the response. I can assure you that the 7th B.P. ISSUE IS VERY MUCH IN OUR WRIT AND i SHOULD say that the writ has been very detailed and contins all possible exhibits It is unfortunate that the legal process is taking more than a decade since some of the writs were filed in different courts even as early as 2002. I am sure that you are aware that apart from Kolkata we have also recd. favourable judgements from the high courts of kerala and Chennai(Madras). The 7th B.P. ISSUE is very strong . We just need it to be heard quickly.
regards dcouto
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 13-03-2014 12:58 pm:

 7th.BPs
Mr.A dcouto--this refers to your post of the 12th.March 2013.It is an agonising situation.I think we know each other from the past.The name is very familiar.Anyway,you may or may not agree that we were sold out by the working unions at that time.And now blaming the Bank/GOI will not get us anywhere.Even in the Federation case at the Delhi High Court we are not aware whether there is any specific or special mention of the discrimination against the 7th.BPs which would have strengthened the petition.But wiser men prevailed and no one knows the contents of the petition which is hardly likely to pass muster at the Court.In the unlikely event it does I would be delighted.But would it be from the date of retirement?The next date at Calcutta High Court in re Salil Ghosh is not yet fixed as the Chief Justice,a member of the two Judge Bench is suffering from cancer and his presence at the court is uncertain.Sujoy Ghosh
 

Antony dcouto wrote at 12-03-2014 6:30 pm:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
dear parthasarathy,
I wonder if you have sen my posting of 3rd march on this website. The 7th B.P. issue is the strongest part of the pension issue and I had from 2009 advo9cating that this issue should be seperated from the other issues for a quick result. It is because the bank felt it was fighting a losing battle that it resorted to the TRANSFER PETITION OF THE 7TH b.p. cases(MAINLY) TO DELAY THE VERDICT. THIS IS BECAUSE the poor petitioners( pensioners) are from far flung areas and impoverished to fight it in a far away place like Delhi. The apt thing would have been for the Fed. to implead and expoxse the bank but I am told by them this is not advisable as oper the lawyers---.How far this is advise is correct I am not convinced. Even the PUBLIC SECTOR BANKS while reverting to the current scales for 7th B.P. pensioners w.e.f. 1-5-2005 stated they were doing it ALSO IN VIEW OF THE LEGAL DECISIONS IN THE MATTER. Why this is not applicable to our bank I dont know,
Regarding mmedical benefits they have been denied only to VRS pensioners but even here if tested in a court of law I think it wont stand vindicated.
It is high time as we are 70+ that 7th B.P. PENSIONERS do something in this matter.
 

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 12-03-2014 8:10 am:

 pre-2002 pensioners
Revision of pension has been done as per last drawn pay for the pre-2002 pensioners of all banks except SBI. They have successfully got legal remedies for payments on revised basis with effect from the date of retirement. It is painful to note that nothing is happening for SBI Pensioners. Even medical benefits are being denied to them. The reasons should be the indifference of the Management and also the lack of leaders' skills. Mr. Ghosh has won a favourable judgement at Calcutta. But we are unable to take it to the logical end. We are not able to convince the courts about the perceived injustice. There is a need for more dynamic leadership for the SBI Pensioners.
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 11-03-2014 7:53 pm:

 SBI Scheme For Payment of Ex-Gratia Lump sum Amount In Lieu of Compassionate Appointment
The cut off date for payment of Ex-Gratia Lump sum Amount in lieu of compassionate appointment which was 03-08- 2005 has now been shifted to 04-11-2004. This means those who died between 04-11-2004 and 03-08-2005 their dependents will be eligible to claim Ex-Gratia. Last date for submission of claim is 30-09-2014. Please look around for the eligible beneficiaries and ask them to contact their Circle association office.

e Circular can be down load from :- http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/
 

SUNDARA RAMAN S wrote at 11-03-2014 3:27 pm:

 Medical Benefits to 2006 Exit Optees-pensioners
Sir,

i am sbi pensioner from Chennai Circle. I retired from sbi under 2006 exit scheme under health grounds.
i have already participated in ur forum and have written letters regarding pensioner's right to revision.
really you are organizing the forum in a very good manner. long live for ur services.
i have retired from the bank on 30/04/2007 under Exit scheme under medical grounds after serving 34 years and 11 months. i am drawing full pension.
though i have been treated as a regular retiree for pension and pf benefits, i am denied the SBI Retired Employees Medical Benefit Scheme for the reason i retired under 2006 exit scheme. An employee with the same span of service, if retired on super annuation he will be eligible for SREMB scheme. i have retired after a service of 34 years 11 months that also not by resignation, but by the bank's scheme and also under medical grounds. There may be several pensioner's like me. all such pensioners will be happy, if your organisation takes up the matter with sbi management to take a humanitarian view to help such pensioners to meet medical expenses. I think efforts by individual pensioners may not be successful.
so i request you to take up the matter and help the deprived lot.
thank u,
sundara raman s
srirangam 620 006
11/03/2014 3.23 pm

 

S.K.Misra (Lucknow Circle) (Website) wrote at 10-03-2014 3:11 pm:

 Pensioners Portal
Dear Sir,We are thankful to bank for this service but at present this portal is available only for inputting Investment Details and viewing/printing Pension Slips and used sparingly by us. If "Account Balance Enquiry" feature is provided it will become more usable and helpful. We shall be able to monitor our pension accounts with more convinience.
 

SUBHASH CHANDRA HAZRA wrote at 08-03-2014 4:59 pm:

 ALLOTMENT OF SBI SHARE
As per newspaper report SBI chairman has told
Bank share will be offered to staffs irrespective of their post in the coming financial year. Now the retired employees are
elligible for purchase any share at a discount price. Please inform the actual
position.
 
Comment: Dear Subhash,

The matter is still in a preliminary stage. We shall ascertain the correct position for pensioners, in this regard and inform fellow pensioners at the earliest.

Pradyot Kumar Goswami wrote at 08-03-2014 12:56 pm:

 ONLINE BOOKING OF HOLIDAY HOMES
system of on line booking of Holiday Homes of Central Governments and of some other organizations are running very fairly based on priority of booking . Booking of SBI Holiday Homes by Pensioner has become out of reach. I request our representative to take up the matter with SBI Authority for easy convenient to the pensioners by introducing online booking.
 
Comment: Dear Pradyot,

You have rightly highlighted the problem faced by pensioners in booking Bank's holiday homes. We have been pursuing this matter for quite some time. We shall continue our efforts, strongly.

Antony dcouto wrote at 08-03-2014 10:55 am:

 7th B.P.
dear Rohit. noted.Thansk . Let us hope for the best. You are always free to contact me on dcouto.antony@gmail.com
regards dcouto
 
Comment: Dear Antony,

We are glad to find that our website has at least proved to be an effective bonding platform for fellow pensioners.

Rohit Sharma. wrote at 07-03-2014 9:04 pm:

 Antony dcouto wrote at 06-03-2014 10:28 pm: 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
1. In t he case of Mr. Salil Ghosh' case the trial court did assert to such contentions in law that the pension rules are in confirmatory contained in the statutes of incorporation of S.B.I. Pension Act. which though empowers such board to vary any of the existing rules, but then such changes or amendments cannot attain any legality if such variance made is made just through an executive management administrative circulars varying the definition of such words expressed in the 0pension rules as nomenclatures notifying the wordsmiths myths as to redraw the indentation so such words in the pension rules 'last drawn salary' to read as 'per-revised pension ' is bad in law and the banks legal officer are emptying the coffins of the pensioners fund which is used for opposing such litigation in various H.C.nd S.C.in context with the discriminating use of administrative powers to conceded to the 8th B.P. settlement that had seen five days strike by the unions to declassify employees in service from beyond 2005 the such employees would be not covered under the changed law of following the promulgation of National Pension Scheme, 1997 and they to will be deemed payable of pension to be them at par with the rules of pension rules determining the last salary drawn structural meaning as composed in the pension rules and not as according to new set up of rules adopted as under the N.P.S.1997, and pay 50 % of the last pay drawn definition.

3. The retiree under the V.R.S prospered by the bank the pension was stated as payable on pre-revisied rates. This the bank could not have done so by administrative circulars but should have followed the definition of the word 'last drawn salary' as which rules have had been quoted in such pension rules.

4. I hope the S.B.I.P.Federation does get such similar results like in Mr. Salil Ghosh's case in their matter slated for 18the March, 2104 at Delhi H.C.

 

Krishna Banerjee wrote at 07-03-2014 5:04 pm:

 Query
Sir,
I am an elderly family pensioner. May I be helped with the information, a)if i am entitled to medical benefits b) any benefit.
Mrs Krishna Banerjee
 
Comment: Dear Mrs Banerjee,

We presume that your husband was a member of REMBS. If so, you, as his widow, are also entitled to medical benefits of reimbursement of hospitalization costs upto ceilings of Rs 2 lacs, or Rs 5 lacs or Rs 7 lacs, along with 10% of these sums being available for domicilliary treatment. Apart from this, you may get medical consultation from Bank's Dispensaries and also dispensation of medicines (if available) from there. Lab tests can also be done free of cost on the recommendation of the Medical Officer at the Dispensary.
If you or your late husband were not members of REMBS, then you can avail yourself of only the Dispensary facilities and free Lab tests under tie up arrangements.
You may contact us at Kolkata LHO, 1 Strand Road, and get further assistance.
We hope that this information has been helpful to you. Do keep in touch with us.

Antony dcouto wrote at 06-03-2014 10:28 pm:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
Dear Rohit, I am extremely happy that my intention to provoke some discussion on our 7th B.P. issue has been given a start by you.
let me answer your last question first. No I am not related in any way to the great union leader Charles Couto ( not Dcouto). In any case I had met him not in the S.B.I but while in the R.B.I in Bombay as part of social activities. He was indeed a great person. In fact this question has been posed to me by many during my stints in the north.
coming back to the 7th B.P. issue let us not call in question the benefits of our colleagues ---even some of them have been robbed of 10%!!!!----. we need to only highlight the utter illegality of the bank on the 7th b.p. issue as we perceive it.. If any one can read the S.B.I. PENSION RULES from one end to the other and back he /she will only find the word LAST DRAWN SALARY and never the word PRE-REVISED.This is why I affirm that the bank's action regarding 7th B.P. pensioners does not satisfy the supreme court ruling of 14-8-2013 that in pension matters it can only be effected by statutory provisions AND NOT by administrative circulars which was how the bank effected it in sept. 2000 by a circular letter and NOT AN AMENDMENT TO THE RULES.
You have my email and if you want a further discussion i will be happy to continue this since I feel I should not be misutilising the facility and the opportunity granted by this website.
thanks once again and good night.ANTONY D'COUTO
 

Rohit Sharma wrote at 06-03-2014 7:11 pm:

 Antony 'dcuouto's posting.
1. I think the recent posting by Antony 'dcouto wrote at 05-03-2014 10:14 pm: has merits.

2. If the 8th B.P. did rule out the pension amendment in favor of such employees who retired in 2005 or later were given the effect of the 50 & clause of the pension rules which was conveyed vide an administrative circular and not having actually amending the pension rules then why the 7th B.P. pensioners were not given such effect too.

2. I believe that the SBI pension baord of directors should be amending such rules or else even the benefits afforded to the 8th B.P. beneficiaries should stand withdrawn as in light of the S.C. directives that just an administrative order cannot be taken as having amended the pension rules.

3. This fact therefore is an evidence of the violation of the fundamental rights enshrined in Article 14 of the C.O.I. in terms of discrimination to devoid the right to equality before law.

4. There has been no update of Mr. Salil Ghosh's case at H.C. Calcutta which was to come up on 10th Feb 2014.

5. I hope our Pension Federation Office bearers do succeed in such representation before the Delhi H.C. when such matter comes is heard on 18th March, 2018.

6. This is a personal question to Mr Antony 'dcuoto - are you related of our cherished leader late Mr. Charles 'Dcuoto of Bombay Circle ?

 

Antony dcouto wrote at 05-03-2014 10:14 pm:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
MY SINCERE THANKS FOR THE COMMENT. YES I AM AWARE OF THE ENTIRE PENSION ISSUES BEING ADDRESSED BY THE FED. IN COURT. THIS POST WAS AS YOU CAN SEE ONLY ADDRESSED TO THE SUBJECT CASE IN THE KOLKATA COURT WHICH IS SQUARELY ADDRESSING THE 7TH B.P ISSUE.
JUST TO COMPLETE THE ISSUE LET ME STATE THREE POINTS.
1. THE 7TH BP. ISSUE IN OUR BANK WAS NOT --I REPEAT NOT-- A RESULT OF THE B.P. SETTLEMENT BECAUSE THE I.B.A HAD CLEARLY STATED THAT THIS PART OF THE SETTLEMENT DID NOT APPLY TO THE S.B.I
2 IF WE EVEN ADMIT THAT THIS WAS THE RESULT OF A B.P. SETTLEMENT LET US REMEMBER THAT THIS ANAMOLY WAS RECTIFIED IN THE 8TH B.P. W.E.F FROM 1-5-2005 ALSO CITING LEGAL DECISIONS IN THE MATTER. IF THE PENSION FOR 7TH B.P WAS INTRODUCED AS A RSULT OF THE B.P. SETTLEMENT THEN WHY COULD NOT THE SAME YARDSTICK BE USED TO REVERSE THE DECISION WHEN THE 8TH B.P. HAD COME TO A SETTLEMENT OT REVERSE THE DECISION W.E.F. FROM 1-5-2005????
3FINALLY EVEN IF WE FOR ACADEMIC PURPOSE EMPOWER THE BANK BY VIRTUE OF RULE 23 TO HAVE POWERS TO REVISE PENSION IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS CLEARLY STATED THAT THE RULES SHOULD BE AMENDED SPECIFICALLY TO IMPLEMENT THIS AND IT CANNOT BE DONE BY MEANS OF A CIRCULAR LETTER OR EXECUTIVE DECISION.
MY EMAIL IS dcouto.antony @gmail.com
 
Comment: Dear Antony,

Thanks once again. There are anomalies within anomalies. Retirees of 7th Bipartite, in all other nationalized banks are at least getting pension on their 7th Bipartite salaries. Except in the biggest bank, which had fought for many issues for the other banks.
There is a severe anomaly in the 8th Bipartite as well. Why was it made effective from 1st May 2005 instead of 1st Nov 2002 ?
While the case in Calcutta High Court is also likely to reach Supreme Court (either side will obviously appeal) let us also wait for the verdict in Delhi High Court (case transferred from Supreme Court) as also in the Premvati Bagga case.

Antony dcouto wrote at 03-03-2014 11:59 pm:

 7th B.P. -KOLKATA HIGH COURT-S.K.GHOSH
LET ME FIRST APPRECIATE THE OPEN INVITATION TO BENEFIT BY AND, SHARE AND CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR WEBSITE.
SINCE THE PENSION TO 7TH B.P. RETIREES HAVE BEEN FIXED AT PRE-REVISED SCALES PURELY ON THE BASIS OF BANK'S CIRCULAR LETTER OF SEPT 2000 AND NOT BY ANY AMENDMENT TO THE PENSION RULES I CONSIDER THE OBSERVATION OF THE SUPREME COURT IN ITS JUDGEMENT DATED 14-8-2013 IN STATE OF JHARKHAND V/S J.K. SRIVASTAVA WILL BE PERTINENT. IT SAYS
"IT(PENSION) IS THUS HARD EARNED BENEFIT AND --------IS IN THE NATURE OF PROPERTY. THIS RIGHT TO PROPERTY CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY WITHOUT THE DUE PROCESS OF LAW AS PER PROVISION OF ARTICLE 300A OF THE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA.
THE SUPREME COURT ADDED( AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US 7TH B.P CASE)
" IT HARDLY NEEDS TO BE EMPHASISED THAT THE EXECUTIVE INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOT HAVING STATUTORY CHARACTER AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE TERMED AS LAW WITHIN THE MEANING OF ARTICLE 300A . ON THE BASIS OF SUCH A CIRCULAR WHICH IS NOT HAVING THE FORCE OF LAW THE APPELANT( WHICH IN OUR CASE IS THE BANK) CANNOT WITH HOLD EVEN A PART OF PENSION OR GRATUITY.
tHIS EXACTLY IS THE METHOD USED BY THE BANK TO IMPLEMENT THE PENSION ON PRE-REVISED SCALES FOR 7TH B.P. PENSIONERS. oR IF I AM WRONG CAN ANYONE SHOW ME A PROVISION TO THIS EFFECT IN THE S.B.I. PENSION RULES?????
 
Comment: Dear Antony,

Thanks for your post. The reason cited for the gross injustice meted out to the 7th Bipartite retirees (whose pension was calculated on their 6th Bipartite salaries) was that the Federations of employees and officers had signed a Bipartite agreement agreeing to this shameful situation. However our Federation is seeking judicial remedy in this regard, not only for those retirees but for all pensioners.
The damaging provision in Pension Rules is that as per Rule 23 (ii), the Trustees may reduce, impose ceilings etc. We have asked for this clause to be purged.

N. J. CHAVAN VICE PRESEDENT SBI PENSTIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 03-03-2014 9:11 am:

 CENTRAL PAYMENT SYSTEM OF OUR BANK AT CULCUTTA
WHEN IT WAS DECIDED BY BANK TO SHIFT THE PAMENT SYSTEM TO BE CENTRALISED AT CULUTTA NO OF QUERIES RAISED BY PEPOLE AT IT WAS DOUTED WHETHERE IT WOULD RUN SMMOTHLY ALLOVWE INDIA BUTSBI HAS PROOVED THAT BANK IS ALSO LEADING IN IT IN BANKING BUT HERE ARE FEW SUGGESTION ALLTHINGS ARE GOING WELL ECPET THE PROBLEM OF LIFE CERTIFICATES THE CDC SHOULD ANALYSE THAT LIFE CERTIFICATES SUBMIITED 2 LIFE CERTIFICATES SUMITTED AND UPLODED IN SYSYEM BUT SYSTEM FAILUR FOR THESE CERTIFICATES AND LIFE CERTIFICATES TOTALLY NOT SUBMIITED SOME PENSTIONERS ARE SHOING THE INFORMATION ABOUT IT IN OUR KOLHAPUR SIT WE YHE OFFICE BEARERS DISTRIBUTES THE BR WISE DUTY TO MONTIO IT IN NOV IT SELF TO OVER COME THE PROBLEM THOSE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED THE CERTIFICATES BUT NOT UPLODED OR SYSETM FALUR THE PAYMENT SHOULD BE MADE
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chavan,

You are right in highlighting the problem of Life Certificates. The problem of uploading them or authorizing the uploads is occurring at the branches. As a result, some pensioners, despite having submitted their Life Certificates in Nov, 2013, have not got their pension in Feb, 2014. CSPPC can effect payment of only those pensioners whose Life Certificates have been correctly uploaded.

Rohit Sharma wrote at 02-03-2014 7:03 pm:

 Salil Gosh's case updates.
Please apprise us of the latest development in the case of Mr. Salil Ghosh which was to come up on 10th February, 2014. Thanks.
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 28-02-2014 11:27 pm:

 Pensioners’ Mail March-2014
We have uploaded pdf file of Chandigarh Circles’ Monthly Bulletin Pensioners’ Mail for month of March 2014, which you can download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website: http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/
 

N. J. CHAVAN VICE PRESEDENT SBI PENSTIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 27-02-2014 8:23 am:

 SUBMISSTION OF PAPERS/DOCUMENTS
NO OF TIMES PENSTIONERS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FORM 15G/H OR DOCUMENTS RELATED TO KYC NORMS ETC WHY NOT PENSTIONERS BE ALLOWED TO SUBMITT THROUGH INTERNATE WHICH WILL SAME THE TIME AND ENERGY BESIDES TRAVELLING IN BIG CITIES KINDLY NOT THE ABOVE SUJJESTION TO BE FORWARDED FOR FEDERATION
 

TN Ramachandran Nair wrote at 26-02-2014 9:13 am:

 7th bipartite retirees
As you say we can only wait and watch. The way the matter is handled by all concerned including the top judiciary only indicates lack of appreciation of our problem at all levels.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Nair,

You are right. There is appreciation and concern only at our own level. The level of the affected pensioners. Yet, we have to wade across the waterlogged streets of rules and procedures, and laws and verdicts. But let us not also forget that it was at the intervention of the Supreme Court, that the absurd pension ceilings of Rs 1000 and Rs 600 were removed for the first time, and Family Pension introduced in the Bank, with effect from 1986. There was no initiative from the Govt, Bank, or the two serving employees' Federations. Let us not lose hope.

sathish bangera wrote at 25-02-2014 5:06 pm:

 regarding medical benifit
my father retired on 2000. he is coming under retired medical benifit scheme. but thing is my mother had hospitalied forknee inujury and got knee replace. pls send me the claim form for my mother. also let we know once we draw the money it is possible to claim another time or any further extend of limit is possible.
 
Comment: Dear Satish,

You may down load the medical reimbursement form from this website itself, (Important information for Pensioners) or collect it from nearest Zonal or Head Office of the Bank. The REMBS is limited by a period of 10 years and the total limit fixed (Rs 2 lacs or Rs 5 lacs or Rs 7 lacs). If there is available balance in the account, the member can draw against it for hospitalization expenses for listed diseases, and also 10% for domicilliary treatment (without hospitalization) for self and spouse.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 24-02-2014 9:17 pm:

 7th.Bipartite-Salil Kumar Ghosh
Mr.Parthasarathy-This refers to your observation of the 22nd.February 2014.In the subject case the single judge bench has also referred to the pension regulations and not the bipartite agreements and given the order in favour of Mr.Salil Ghosh where
the salary is based on the 7th.Biparite
and pension of last 12 months salary according to the pension Rule 23 of 1955 Rules which postulates an average to be taken of the last 12 months.The Supreme
Court order appears to have taken a similar view but what the petioners have asked for is not clear to me unless one has a look at the petition.But the Bank has appealed to
the Division bench at the same court and is adopting delaying tactics similar to the bribery case of Rs.265/- which travelled from the Trial court to the Supreme Court
and after 30 years the accused was fined Rs.50000/- instead of 3 years jail under the Prev.of Corruption Act because of the
inordinate delay.So now we know where we stand.The Bank is unlikely to implement the Supreme Court order of the other petitioners and will not conclude the Case of Mr.Salil Kumar Ghosh.The next date is not yet known.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,

Please keep communicating through this website. We can only hope for the best, while remaining prepared for the worst. We must strive on. That is life.

B.R.Bahl wrote at 24-02-2014 5:07 pm:

 kindly reply to my query listed in the message
I am a pensioner from SBI Parliament Street New Delhi as AGM on August 1996.My pension amount is Rs18,858.00.17 and half has passed since I have retired but my pension is very meagre when compared to my friends who retired from Central/State Govt.This is after working in various challenging assignments for 11 years as AGM.Peshi per peshi is culture in apex court of the country when petitions of political leaders are heard same day also.Kindly share with me as how my Basic pay was calculated and the basis DA is fixed.Many of my colleagues have left this planet Should we expect that we will get justice during our life time.Our DA is also less than what our counterpat in other establishment get.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Bahl.
You are right about the poor pension paid to old retirees of bank and the gross anomaly and injustice in this regard compared to Govt, pensioners. You are a 6th Bipartite retiree. Your Basic pension must have been calculated at 40% of B Pay with a min ceiling. Current Award staff retirees get higher pension.

B.R.Bahl wrote at 24-02-2014 5:00 pm:

 Payment of pension
I am a pensioner from SBI Parliament Street New Delhi as AGM on August 1996.My pension amount is Rs18,858.00.17 and half has passed since I have retired but my pension is very meagre when compared to my friends who retired from Central/State Govt.This is after working in various challenging assignments for 11 years as AGM.Peshi per peshi is culture in apex court of the country when petitions of political leaders are heard same day also.Kindly share with me as how my Basic pay was calculated and the basis DA is fixed.Many of my colleagues have left this planet Should we expect that we will get justice during our life time.Our DA is also less than what our counterpat in other establishment get.
 

P K GOPALAKRISHNAN (Website) wrote at 22-02-2014 11:07 am:

 DR FOR FEB 2014
Dear Sri Anil K Saxena Sir,
I shall be glad to know the revised DR payable for Feb 2014 My basic pension
Rs 10980 / -
Thanks & Regards
P K Gopalakrishnan
SBI Pensioner - Kerala
 
Comment: Dear Mr Gopalakrishnan,

The DR for those who retired after 1.11.2007 is 99.9%. It is different for earlier retirees. You may go to the DR calculator site stated in this website to calculate your DR.

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 22-02-2014 8:47 am:

 7th bipartite pensioners
Dear Mr.Ghosh,

On the 13th of February 2014, the Supreme Court has dismissed the appeals by a few banks against High Court orders.Quote:Dear Friends,, This is with regard to SC judgement dated 13/02./2014
in Vijaya Banbk, Allahabad Bank and United Bank of India. These are
Civil Appeals by Banks against HC orders.
As the appeals have been dismissed in SC. Can somebody state the
implications of the verdict?
The judgement states " Sec. 29(5) of pension regulation will be
applicable for calculation/payment of pension and not Bi Partite
settlement/Joint note".
The judgement also states that as in the case of K Mohan das and
others, the IBA advised vide circular dated 17th August 2009 ths
benefit should be paid to all identically affected employees
of all banks with 9 % interest from date of HC order.
Can any body from vijaya bank or Allahabad bank please clarify?
Thanks.unquote. The SC has stated that the bipartite settlements cannot change pension regulations. If Mr.Ghosh can bring this before the Calcutta Court, it will be helpful. Also if we win a favourable judegement, the SC may not allow an appeal also.







 

N J CHAVAN RETD DY.MANAGER KOLHAPUR MAHARASHTRA VICE-PRESIDENT SBI PENSIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR (MAHARASHTRA) wrote at 21-02-2014 8:36 am:

 STAFF RATE OF INT.
NOW A DAYS THERE IS MESSAGE ON PENSIONERS PORTAL THAT UNLESS THE PPF NO IS ADD TO THE A/C THE STAFF RATE WILL NOT BE GIVEN STILL THERE ARE NUMBER OF PERSONS ARE NOT ACQESTMED TO INTER NATE BANKING OR USING THE PENSTIONERS PORTAL OR MOB BANKING THERE ARE SOMANY PENSTIONERS ARE ABROAD THE BANK SHOULD DIVSE SOPTWEW BY WHICH PFOME WHICH ONCE THEVDATE OF BIRTH IS FFED AND PF NO IS ENTERE THE SENIOR CETIZON RATE SHOULD APPLIED BESIDES BANK HAVE THE PF NO WICH SOULD BANK ITSELF SHOULD FEED SONO ONE SHOULD DEPRIVE THE SPL RATE FOR STAFF AND PENSTIONERS ANY CHANE IN PENSTIONERS PORTAL SHOULD BE ADISE TO PENSTIONRTS BY SMS ON MOBILE AS ALL ARE NOT USING NET BANKING THIS IS MY HUBLE REQUEST TO FED
 

N J CHAVAN RETD DY.MANAGER KOLHAPUR MAHARASHTRA VICE-PRESEDENT SBI PENSIONERS ASSOCTION PUNE UNIT KOLHAPUR wrote at 20-02-2014 7:48 pm:

 OUR PENSION CASE 1875/2013
LOKE ADALAT IS SHEDULE ON 12/04/2014 IF THE CASE IS NOT DECIDED OM 18/03/2014 OR BEFORE THE 12TH APRIL2014 I REQUST SHRI R N BANERJI TO FEDERATION FOR TAKING UP THE CASE IN LOKADALAT
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chavan,

We have already brought the matter to the notice of the leadership. Let us see what happens. Thanks.

MAHESH KUMAR wrote at 20-02-2014 1:47 pm:

 joining lifetime membership
Dear sir, can pensioner of other circle join life membership of your association?
 
Comment: Dea Mahesh,

This is a very unusual and flattering request. We feel honoured. But we will have to study our Bye laws to decide on this issue. Meanwhile, you are most welcome to participate in our website and related activities. Thanks for showing interest.

PRAFULLA CHANDRA MUDI wrote at 18-02-2014 4:34 pm:

 PENSIONERS~ RECURRING MEDICAL RMB OF Rs. 7000/=P.A
Sir, It is true that the REMB is like mediclaim but the same is restricted to Rs.7000.00 p.a for domiciliary treatment only.Actually, the senior /pensioners are used to spend more than that for various ailments and to claim for all these sundry expenses is a genuine problems. As the limit is defined and that too for domiciliary only, the payment of the amount on DECLARATION basis may ease out the problems of many a pensioners. Thanks for your response.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Mudi,

We agree with your sentiment and logic. We reiterate that your suggestion is worth serious consideration. Thanks for writing. Please continue to be in touch with us.

P C MUDI wrote at 17-02-2014 4:23 pm:

 PENSIONERS~ RECURRING MEDICAL RMB OF Rs. 7000/=P.A
Under the captioned scheme the pensioners who have joined the said scheme are entitled to get reimbursement of Rs.7000/=p.a on production of bills as and when such expenses incurred by the pensioners. The bills are to be supported by prescriptions/cash memos/bells &sundries to establish their claim of the amount . It is bit cumbersome on the shoulders of the SENIOR CITIZENS CUM PENSIONERS as they are to keep all such bills for accumulation of bills of Rs. 7000/= or less. Where as the award-staff those who are in service are getting the medical expenses amount on notional basis for the whole year at the start of the calender year. Why the same liberal approach is being not adhered to in case of the PENSIONERS as they at their prime age spent more than the defined amount on medical expenses without being HOSPITALIZED. The ISSUE under reference merits considerations at your end
 
Comment: Dear Mr Mudi,

You are right in voicing this expectation of the Bank paying a lumpsum of Rs 7000/- at the beginning of every financial year to all pensioners covered under REMBS, instead of following the laborious process of reimbursing bills.
But you must also appreciate that unlike the outlay of fixed amounts for the award staff, in case of pensioners under REMBS, the scheme is based on actuarial calculations and works like Mediclaim, where number of claims paid, is a major factor, even for domicilliary treatment.
Even then, your suggestion is worth a serious consideration.

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 17-02-2014 7:27 am:

 7th bipartitie settlement pensioners
Dear Mr. Ghosh,
Our Calcutta case was supposed to come up for hearing on the 10th of February. Kindly provide us with the update. Thanks and regards.
 

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