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S K MEHROTRA wrote at 11-04-2016 00:53:

 Postpone the date of A Scheme from 1st April 2016 to 15/4/2016
As you advised in reply to my email dated 9/4/2016 that the reimbursement of domicillary bills may be submitted for payment till 15/4/2016 under REMES Scheme.I today contacted operating officer at Delhi Zonal Office in this regard so he replied that there are no such instructions as well as he is not aware that date of A scheme has been deferred by the 15th April. I shall,therefore, be glad if you will please sent copy of Corporate Office Circular for his information and necessary action.
 
Comment: No Circular has been issued by the Bank, but Corporate Centre has sent e mails to all CM HRs all over the country. This information may be of use to you.

Sridhar Srinivasan wrote at 10-04-2016 23:00:

 ishwari devi - comment by mr.iyer
It seems filtering is still not implemented. If we make fun of the weakest we should mind we will also be a subject of fun shortly. Better red card system as in football be introduced in this site also. Jokers be banned from using this forum.
 
Comment: No, you are wrong. Filtering is on. For a change, the words used in the post in question, were not abusive. So we decided to publish it, though the contents were very injurious and insensitive towards the family pensioner in particular, and to the community of pensioners in general. Even then, we decided to make it public, so that fellow pensioners can make their own judgements on such posts.

kanchalwar S.R.SBIPENSIONERS ASSO Treasurer Nanded(MS) wrote at 10-04-2016 21:26:

 COURT CASE 1875/2013
is there any hope that any decision will be taken by court after committees report ,or committee will take some time to submit the report,why not court give timebound limit to committee?all are ?marks.
 
Comment: The unilateral setting up of a committee, only to stall the process of law, that too in the backdrop of the government's rejection of the repeated recommendations of our bank, is obviously a hurdle in our path to achieve justice for thousands of suffering pensioners. Let us now wait and see how the Div Bench of Delhi High Court, deals with this committee, while deciding upon our petition.

Unknown wrote at 10-04-2016 20:38:

 pf code
made such comment on anyone's problem is looks very bad mr.Iyer.
 

Unknown wrote at 10-04-2016 20:25:

 PF NO.
pf code may be known from cif detail.any branch can enquire it by a/c no.if they want to help.
 
Comment: Thanks for your helpful suggestion. Please identify yourself while submitting any post.

suresh chhatre 1330381 wrote at 10-04-2016 02:37:

 ishwari devi
there are many cases , particularly Family pensioners, like Ishwari Devi, association or activist must help them , criticizing elderly pensioners is not good. we can get the pf no of any pensioner from following menu
SBI TIMES-YOUR CIRCLE-BRANCHWISE PENSIONERS DETAIL-MONTH LIST {PREVIOUS MONTH}-BRANCH CODE-SAVE AND OPEN -SAVE
ISHWARI DEVI IS KNOWING HER BR, so it is possible to find out her details
 

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer wrote at 09-04-2016 16:56:

 P.F. INDEX NUMBER.
Dear Friends,

Ishwari Devi is lucky in so far she remembers her name, pension drawing branch and even the 11 digit account number. Praise the Lord.
 

S K MEHROTRA wrote at 09-04-2016 09:55:

 Reimbursement of domicillary treatment--- Submission of medical bills for reimbursement
Since date of Scheme A of proposed Insurance Scheme has been shited from 1/4/2016 to 15/4/2016,will you please clarify that medical expenditure incurred by me during March/April 2016 can be submitted to Zonal Office for payment under REMES Scheme. The nature of medical treatment is domicillary and I want its payment under 1% of REMES. If reply is yes,so by which date the bills should be submitted.
 
Comment: All bills under REMBS may be submitted by 15th April, now that the commencement of policy A has been postponed to 16th April.

MUKTIPRIYO GHOSH DASTIDAR wrote at 09-04-2016 08:39:

 D claim from policy B bypassing Policy A as a first claim
Pl refer my mail dt 080416 3:07 & your thankful comments there against i omitted to state that I am also a member of REMBS. Pl tell me whether I can submit the D.Claim for Floater B bypassing the policy " A" first as stated in the clause (6) of details of Policy A under head "payment of Annual Premium"
 
Comment: You can submit domiciliary treatment bills in new claim format now itself in policy B, for expenses incurred after commencement of cover, or under policy A, after 15th April, for expenses incurred after that date.

Ishwari Devi wrote at 09-04-2016 05:28:

 PF NO.
I could not submit Life certificate I am taking faimly pension from Foundry Nagar Branch Agra, At present I am with my son at Jaipur I went to nearby branch for submission of Life Certificate but I forgot my PF No.. Can you help me to send me My PF No. my SB acount No is 10197152895
 
Comment: Your pension paying branch should be able to help you with your PF Index number. If you have anyone at Agra, ask him or her to collect this data from the branch and inform you, so that you may submit your life certificate at Jaipur. We cannot help from Kolkata.

Arun Kanti Mondal wrote at 09-04-2016 00:47:

 Revised Pension
My dear sir,

You have informed me that my pension has been revised and to keep in touch with PPG department. I emailed them to confirm. I have also asked PPG department to inform me the revised basic pay of pension, total arrears and date of payment with copy to you. I did not have any response till now.
 
Comment: Please do not expect our bank's offices and branches to respond to e mails. You may write to them or call.
It is likely that you will get your revised pension and arrears on pension payment date this month.

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer, wrote at 08-04-2016 22:25:

 WEBSITE OF PABC
Dear Friend,

Thanks for your clarification for my doubts regarding reimbursement of past domicile treatment bills. The first paragraph of your comment was irrelevant as all of us and even you know that you are averse to criticism.

2. I would have stopped with the first sentence (expressing my gratitude) had you not written the first paragraph of your comment/reply/clarification.

3. In a democracy, criticism is a part of remedial measures for proper functioning.
Even Mohanda & Coutto used to take them in the right spirit.
 
Comment: We are not at all averse to criticism. We are averse to abusive, slanderous and insulting comments. You can check back on your earlier posts. However, we don't wish to rake up this controversy. We shall try to respond promptly promptly and sincerely to posts of all readers, unless we find them objectionable and damaging ( in our perception). Posts have not reduced in numbers, after our introducing the moderating device prior to publishing posts. Nor have they diminished in quality.

M. Gopalakrishna Iyer, wrote at 08-04-2016 16:59:

 GROUP INSURANCE FLOATER POLICY
Dear Friends,

My wife and I have got medical bills right from the beginning of this year for treatment of diabetes, cholostrol, blood pressure, arthritis. All these are after our hospitalisation for Swine Fle and Menenchitis fever. Are we eligible to claim reimbursement under the new scheme, If we are eligible, kindly advise the procedure to be followed.
 
Comment: We judge posts in our website, by their contents, and not by the names of the senders. We had been compelled, to edit or delete some objectionable posts submitted by you in the past. But that will not prevent us from responding and publishing this post, as it will not only benefit you but other fellow pensioners as well.

All pre-existing diseases are covered in the new Mediclaim policy B (also A, when it starts for the erstwhile REMBS members, from 16th April, 2016). But only those bills which have been incurred, after the commencement of cover under the new policy, will be reimbursed. You may therefore submit such bills, in the new claim format, with supporting prescriptions, receipts, vouchers, etc., through your pension paying branch and CM HR at Zonal office, to the TPA. You may contact your local TPA on toll free numbers or otherwise, for assistance. For cashless hospitalization, you have to only produce particulars of your membership of the policy.

MUKTIPRIYO GHOSH DASTIDAR wrote at 08-04-2016 03:07:

 submission of D.Bill
I deposited my premium of Rs5925/-at my pension paying Branch on 24 03 2016 for Floater policy B.The TPA telephoned me in reply to my mail with the journal number that they did not get the feed back from central office for which they cannot issue the E-card or ID card.I have got the journal number.Can I submit the D Bill filling up the erstwhile form for April 2016? Please take up the case with TPA.
 
Comment: You can submit Domiciliary treatment bill in the new claim format. Please be in touch with TPA, CMHR, and Association.

v k arora wrote at 07-04-2016 21:58:

 Payment--Domicilliary Treatment
I am Diabetic & my wife has cardiac problems. We both have gone for consultations , investigations --blood & ultrasound/ echo-cardiogram and purchase of medicines for 45 days ( as prescribed by attending doctor)in the current week. I want lodge my domicilliary treatment under Policy B . Will it be in order. I became member of Policy B on 19/03/16 the date on which my Oension account was debited an amount of Rs.5925/.Another point may be clarified that as policy B is from 1st January to 31st December should I have not been charged pro-rata i.e. for 9 months premium.
 
Comment: You can submit domiciliary treatment bills from 1st April, 2016, as you cover starts from 1st April.
Currently retirees will pay pro rata premium, while old and existing pensioners whether REMBS members or not, will have to pay full annual premium, irrespective of when they are getting enrolled.

S.Sridharan wrote at 07-04-2016 21:33:

 Medical insurance scheme
From: Sbipensionersassociation Indore
Date: 7 April 2016 at 13:03:25 IST
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Family Floater Group Medical Insurance Policy(s)

Family Floater Group Medical Insurance Scheme--Policy B-- for retired staff has been extended to 30th April,2016 (.)

Those who could not join the Scheme ( Policy B ) up to 31st March,2016 have an opportunity to join it by 30th April,2016.

Policy 'A' which was to commence from 01.04.2016 has not come in force as the Corporate Center desires that TPA should improve their working before taking 65000 members as policy holders of 'A' (.)

In the meantime members of REMBS may claim reimbursement of medical expenses as hitherto (.)

Please circulate this message among our colleagues.

G. K. Gandhi
Secretary The msg received from the above site, which will help REMBS members to claim their bills as usual.
 
Comment: Thanks a lot. We have already circulated the information in Bengal Circle.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 07-04-2016 17:23:

 CONT.CAS(C(931/2015 IN RESPECT OF KIRAN KUMAR JAIPURIER--ORDER DATED 31.03.2016
AS PER WEB SITE OF DELHI HIGH COURT THE ORDER DATED 31.03.2016 OF DELHI HIGH COURT IN THE ABOVE CASE IS AS UNDER-----
CORAM
HON'BLE MR JUSTICE J.R MIDHA
ORDER
31.03.2016
LEARNED SENIOR COUNSEL FOR THE RESPONDENT SUBMITS THAT THE RESPONDENT HAS COMPLIED WITH THE DIVISION BENCH JUDGMENT DATED 6TH APRIL,2015 IN W.P(C) 2353/2014 AND THE PARTICULARS OF THE COMPLIENCE ARE GIVEN IN THE REPLY DATED 18TH MARCH,2016.
THE PETITIONER PRESENT IN PERSON SUBMITTED THAT THE RESPONDENT HAS NOT FULLY COMPLIED WITH THE JUDGMENT DATED 6TH APRIL,2015 AND HE SEEKS TIME TO FILE REJOINDER TO THE REPLY.
LET THE SAME BE FILED WITHIN FOUR WEEKS.
LIST FOR CONSIDERATION ON 28TH JULY ,2016
31ST MARCH,2016 J.R MIDHA JUSTICE
WRITE UP BY K.R.SAINI
 
Comment: Thanks a lot for regularly updating the readers on several Court cases concerning pensioners.

Svmani wrote at 07-04-2016 17:16:

 Committee
What is this so called committee? Who are the me,bers? Is there any representative from penned or sbi. Is there any deadline to submit its report? These needs clarification
 
Comment: All these are unanswered questions. Our Bank had made recommendations to the Govt, for removal of pension anomalies of pensioners, upto 8th Bipartite, several times in the recent past, without however mentioning the anomaly of 40% and 50%. They related mainly to removal of ceilings and sought calculation of pension on last average salary actually drawn. These were repeatedly declined. Now stung by the observations of the Delhi High Court, the Govt, in an attempt to stall the legal process announced that they had set up a committee to examine the pre 2005 anomalies.

Kovvali Trinath Swamy wrote at 07-04-2016 06:51:

 SBI Pensioners Portal is not working properly since past 3days
SBI Pensioners portal is not working properly. Please arrange to take up the matter with CAO(Pensions) for running the portal continuosly with out any troubles to pensioners.
 
Comment: The portal is not only remaining inaccessible, it is not even displaying the latest e circulars on pension related topics. The position has been reported to Corporate Center.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 07-04-2016 05:49:

 ANOMALIES IN PENSION OF S.B.I
DEAR WEB ADMINISTRATIVE,ALTHOUGH SO CALLED COMMITTE IS CONSTITUTED BY THE GOVERNMENT
UNILATERALLY,HOWEVER,AS PER ORDER OF DELHI HIGH COURT DATED 28.03.2016,THE COMMITTEE APPARISED THE ORDER OF THE COURT DATED 15/18 MARCH ALSO.THUS THIS COMMITTE WILL DEAL PENSION ISSUES OF ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF S.B.I.MOREOVER OUR FEDERATION AS WELL AS THE COURT DID NOT OPPOSED THIS COMMITTEE ON 28.03.2016 AND THUS WE DEPEND ON THE OUTCOME OF THIS COMMITTEE.IN THIS CONNECTION ,KINDLY VISIT DELHI HIGH COURT WEB SITE AND SEE THE PROCEEDINGS DATED 28.03.2016.
K.R.SAINI
 
Comment: How can a committee already formed by the government on 10th March, be opposed ? All that has been said, is that the subject matters before the court and the committee, are different. Let us see what the court does.

B C Ganiger wrote at 07-04-2016 02:24:

 Additional amount of commutation: Recovery
Dear sir

Additional amount of commutation of pension paid during March 2016. Recovery of commutated portion of pension was made retrospectively after adjusting arrears of pension. As such net payment of commutated amount considerably reduced particularly early retirees.

Naturally Recovery of Additional Commutation amount would due from payment of Additional total commutation amount and not retrospectively. It appears that there is no instructions in Banks pension rules in this regards. How ever in CCS(CP) Rules, it was mentioned that when the commutation amount was paid on more than one occasion on account of upward revision of pension the respective commuted amount of pension shall be restored on completion of fifteen years from respective date(s).

In case the retrospective recovery is only option for what so ever reasons, the additional amount of commutation value now paid necessarily qualify for reasonable rate of interest as a natural justice. In AIBEA circular to its Members, in example of calculation of additional commutation, 10% interest is taken into account.

It is therefore requested to take up with Competent Authority to arrange for refund of the amount recovered along with arrears of pension and start recovery prospectively or pay appropriate interest for additional commutated value.
 
Comment: The facts are being gathered before the issue is taken up by the Federation with the bank.

Gireesh P Wadke (Website) wrote at 07-04-2016 01:06:

 Declaration of INVESTMENTS for 2016-17
As the above site is not opening since 6th I am ubable to submit the declaration.When it opens the figures which are case sensitive do not appear.In such cases how can be login?
 
Comment: The matter has been informed to Corporate Center. Hopefully, things will be improving soon and access will not be denied.

RANGANATHA T KRISHNAMURTHY wrote at 06-04-2016 23:44:

 Payment of Domiciliary Treatment bills upto 31.3.2016 of Policy A
Dear Sir,
As per the circular all the members of REMBS will be issued policy A from1.4.2016 for the balance in their account as on 31.3.2016.
This has lead to certain problems to them
1. There was a 6months time to submit the bills upto 10% of the insured amount for the non-hospitalisation medical expenses without any restriction on the kind of illness which included the cost of Medicine/consultation and investigation.Since the expenses can happen even on 31.3,2016 they could not have submitted the bills.These bills may not be accepted under Policy A for two reasons
(i)expense incurred before issue of policy
(ii) expense is not for specified 62 deceases.
Even though the employee might have utilised 10% before 31.3.2016, part of it was spillover of earlier years.
Inview of this Bank should accept and pay all expenses upto10% REMBS amount for all expenses incurred before 31.3.2016
I request the Pensioners association/federation takeup this with Management. Regards
 
Comment: We understand that the date of migration of REMBS accounts to policy A has been shifted from 31st March to 15th April, and bills under REMBS will be paid till then.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 06-04-2016 23:21:

 committee on anomalies in pension of s.b.i
DEAR WEB ADMINISTRATIVE,I FULLY AGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS THAT OUR COURT CASE W.P(C)1875/2013 DEALS THAT ALL THE PENSIONERS OF S.B.I SHOULD GET PENSION AT 50% OF THE LAST 12 MONTHS AVERAGE PAY.HOWEVER COMMITTEE CONSTITUTED BY THE M.O.F FOR REMOVING ANOMALIES IN PENSION OF 5TH,6TH,7TH AND 8TH BIPARTITE RETIREES ON THE BASIS OF 27TH APRIL,2015 LETTER'S,RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE BANK TO M.O.F AT 50%/40% FORMULA FOR 6TH,7TH AND 8TH BIPARTITE RETIREES.WHAT ABOUT WHO RETIRED AFTER 1.05.2005.KINDLY CLARIFY.
K.R.SAINI
 
Comment: Here lie two more anomalies. One is that the petition in court covers all pensioners and seeks 50% of salary as pensioners of all Bipartites, whereas the committee unilaterally appointed by govt. deals with pensioners of a particular period. Another is that the bank's recommendation does not ask 50%, but continues with the 40% category too.

Unnikrishnan V wrote at 06-04-2016 21:56:

 R Mahadevan's letter dt 5 April. Pension computation
My case is almost identical to that of Mr Mahadevan. I look forward to your reply. I'm in touch with Mahadevan.
I'm a regular follower of this site . Please keep the good work going.
Unnikrishnan V
 
Comment: Please refer to our response to him and others, on this page.

V Subbaraj wrote at 06-04-2016 21:46:

 Payment of interest on commutation amount paid on 22/03/2016 Bangalore circle
Thanks for your team of committed office bearers from BengalbCircle Pensioners association. I wish to mention that there was no negative pension arrears in earlier BPS. Now X BPS -ve arrears of pension arisen resulting huge recovery towards commutation. If Bank had applied logic in not recovering interest in the EMI till date of payment of commutation difference pensioners would have benefited. I would like to give Ex of my case. I am retired CM put in 39 yrs 6 M service.Retired on 30/04/2013 I am paid commutation difference of Rs.281001/-.Revised EMI Rs.9136/- before EMI Rs.5588/- difference Rs.3548/- recovered Rs.35x3548=Rs.124180/-amount debited Rs.77769/- plus eligible arrears for 35m. This I have calculated myself. Bank has not furnished detail statement.It very clear from above pensioners are deprived.Please pursue Bank to mail detailed statement of arrears paid as you have already requested from Bank. I am frequently following up by furnishing live real case of mine. Please do not think otherwise..
Please do not leave the genuine issue which will benefit large aged pensioners.
Please provide email address.
Thanks & Regards
 
Comment: As committed, we are examining the matter seriously. We shall revert soon.
Our e mail ID, as stated in this website, is sbipabc@gmail.com

asit Banerjee wrote at 06-04-2016 20:41:

 claim form for domiciliary treatment.
Where do i get the captioned claim forms for domiciliary treatment for me and my wife under FFGroup Insurence Policy "B" and what documents to go with it?
 
Comment: Please contact your TPA on toll free numbers, for assistance in submission of claims.

Arun Kanti Mondal wrote at 06-04-2016 15:40:

 Address of the Association
I could not find the Postal Address of SBIPABC anywhere in the website. Please help.
 
Comment: State Bank of India Officers' Association (Bengal Circle), C/o SBI, Kolkata LHO, Samriddhi Bhavan, E Block, Ground Floor, 1 Strand Road, Kolkata 700001.

This address is now prominently displayed in this website, in the opening page " A WARM WELCOME ".

V Subbaraj wrote at 06-04-2016 07:02:

 Payment of interest on commutation amount paid on 22/03/2016 Bangalore circle
Dear Commarade please refer my post last dated 02/04/2016 I along with other pensioners in our circle are eagerly waiting to hear from you the position from CSPPC Kolkatta. Now by April pension date most of the circles will pay pension / commutation difference. There will lot more similar grievances from member pensioners. please do the needful the loss to the pensioners who retired during Nov 2012 to April 2013 is around Rs.50,000/-
Thanks & Regards
 
Comment: We are committed to ascertain the correct information and take remedial measures, if it is found that pensioners are vein cheated.

SUBRATA KUMAR DUTTA wrote at 06-04-2016 04:58:

 INVESTMENT DECLARATION
WEBSITE FOR INVESTMENT DECLARATION NOT OPENING SINCE YESTERDAY . PL HELP AS DELAY WILL ATTRACT TDS ON MY PENSION FOR APRIL2016.
 
Comment: Please wait patiently. You submit 15H at the pension paying branch if you are not a tax payer. Submit Investment declaration form online on pensioners portal when it opens.

BALADEB SEN wrote at 06-04-2016 01:23:

 pension paid to 1995 retiree(VRS)
Dear Sir Like Mr Mahadevan I am also VRS retiree having retired on 18th September 1995.Brief particulars are here
VRS on 18/09/1995
Basic Salary as on 18/09/1995 Rs10820/-Maxm pension admissible under Rule 20(IBI)Rule 23(2)(SBI) of the Fund Rules
Rs 4250/-
Total pensionable service 28yrs 4 months and 23 days
I shall be glad to know any chances for pension increase following the current protracted legal battle.Rgds Baladeb Sen
 
Comment: We have sought pension @ 50% of last drawn average salary, without any ceiling, as pension for pensioners of all periods. If ceiling is removed and you are given pension at 28/60 of your last average salary as basic pension. This will be more than Rs 4250, the ceiling.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 06-04-2016 01:04:

 PENSION COMPUTATION OF PENSION OF SHRI R.MAHADEVAN-CLARIFICATION
IN RESPONSE OF SHRI R.MAHADEVAN QUIRY I HAVE TO ADVISE AS UNDER-------YOU RETIRED DURING THE CURRENCY OF 6TH BIPARTITE(1.11.1992 TO 31.10.1997)AS YOU RETIRED ON 14.01.1995 AND YOU WERE DRAWING THE SALARY OF 5TH BIPARTITE(1.11.1987 TO 31.10.1992)IN JANUARY,1995 AS 6TH BIPARTITE WAS SETTLED IN JULY 1995 AND IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT YOUR SALARY WAS REVISED FROM RS5350/ TO RS10450/W.E.F 1.11.1992 AND YOU GOT THE ARREAR IN SEPTEMBER,1995.YOUR PENSION WAS FIXE DN THE BASIS OF 5TH BIPARTITEAS SALARY AS UNDER---THE MAXIMUM PENSION SHALL NOT EXCEED 50% OF THE AVERAGE MONTHLY SUBSTANTIVE SALAY DRAWN DURING THE LAST 12 MONTHS PENSIONABLE SERVICE OR RS 2400/PER MONTH PRO RATA IN YOUR CASE AS LESS THAN 30 YEARS SERVICE WHICH EVER IS LESS.THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PENSION SHALL BE INCREASED WHO RETIRED OR RETIRE AFTER IST NOVEMBER,1993 FROM RS 2400/ PER MONTH TO RS4250/.HOWEVER W.E.F 1.3.1999 PENSION IS AT 50% OF THE PAY RS8500/ AND 40% OF THE PAY ABOVE RS8500/ MINIMUM RS4250/ WHICH YOU ARE DRAWING AT PRESENT.
K.R.SAINI
 
Comment: We don't agree entirely, with your rational analysis. We think that the pension of Shri Mahadevan and others like him, is likely to increase, if consequent upon a positive verdict of the Court, all earlier ceilings are removed and pension is calculated at 50% of last average salary drawn, instead of 40% for some.

SUSHIL KUMAR LOOMBA wrote at 05-04-2016 23:48:

 payment of revised gratuity as per bps
Sir
i retired in the month of may 2015 from chandigarh circle,yet to receive my revised pension and commutation arrears.Sir i want to know why the bank is taking so much time when the data is available in HRMs. Also i have received a message on my whats app no from the group whose members are serving agms and Chief manager please advise me the validity of the undernoted message
gratuity (update)
1.in terms of sec 4(5) of the payment of gratuity act,1972 gratuity under gratuity act or BPS provisions whichever is higher is payable.
2 Hence for every retiring employee ,gratuity has to be calculated both under the act and under bps and higher of the two will be paid.
3.for those employees retired from november 2012 gratuity will be recalculated both under the act and as per 10th bps and arrears /difference if any will be paid to them
gratuity under the act(pay+da)26x15 daysxno of years of service max 10 lakhs gratuity under bps :payx no of years of service
1 one month pay for one year of service.
2 max 15 months pay upto 30 years service
3 abve 30 years half month pay per v of service
4 no ceiling or max on gratuity under bps.
 
Comment: We presume that you have given the undertaking being taken from 10th Bipartite pensioners, for revision of pension and also your request to be given additional commutation on revised pension.
Delay in submitting these documents, is one of the various possible reasons for delay. The process for a few thousand pensioners in each Circle. Is processed at PPG Deptts and then sanction is taken from Corporate Center.
We are paid, unlike retirees of other banks, gratuity under Gratuity Act, and not Service gratuity. So, two calculations are not done for us, except in stray cases.

R Mahadevan wrote at 05-04-2016 21:09:

 correctness of pension computation
Dear Sir

Ref: Your reply to my post on this subject on
05-04-2016

I joined the bank on 20-07-1970.

I got voluntary retirement with effect from 14-01-1995 as Chief Manager with last drawn pay of Rs.5350.The initial pension was fixed at Rs.2213. During February 1998 it was revised to Rs.4250 with effect from
15-01-1995 and arrears were paid.

Presently basic my pension continues to be Rs.4250.

These are the only details available with me at present. I shall be glad if you can throw some light on this and whether the court verdict will bring some relief for people like me also.

The only other hope is 100% neutralisation of DA relief if and when conceded by the bank

Thanks

R Mahadevan
09894180885
carelink@rediffmail.com

 
Comment: We thank you heartily for sharing the information. We are with you, in your sufferings and expectations.
We shall revert to the issue soon.

svmani wrote at 05-04-2016 17:53:

 Dom
Mr.Raju mentioned prescribed designed format for claiming domicillay treatment. What this format is this? I submitted my claim for domicillay expenditure in the combined format of claim filling under part A and sent. TPA in Mumbai called me and said this is not a format for domicillay exp and asked me to send another format designed for domicillay hospitalisation claim. It seems there is no unanimity among the various TPAs. Though I submitted both the claim forms duly filled in submitted,the claim is still pending. Is there any time limit to dispose of bills? Mani
 
Comment: This is unfortunate. TPAs are indeed handling claims differently in different Zones.
The policy circular had specified a time limit for disposal of claims. We shall interact with the local TPA head and resolve this issue as also the type of claim format, and then revert.

Arun Kanti Mondal wrote at 05-04-2016 17:25:

 An appeal to the Chairperson, SBI for her personal attention
Dear Sir,
I would like to draw personal attention of the Chairperson, SBI for justice through this platform, if you please.

Respected Madam,

Sub: An agony of a fellow employee.

I am a retiree of SBI. I tendered my application on 15/12/2009 seeking voluntary retirement as on 31/03/2010 on health ground. Bank purposefully sanctioned my voluntary retirement, delayed by more than three years as on 30/06/2013, in lieu of 31.03.2010 as I opted for, despite medical board's approval and specific recommendations, but calculated my service up to 31.08.2010, thus denying pension for 34 months along with other benefits, in contravention to Article 300A of Indian Constitution.

2. Notwithstanding the denial of Pension for 34 months, Rs 7,26,191.84p was deducted from my Provident Fund Balance as gross emoluments paid after 01/09/2010 in contravention to Article 300A of Indian Constitution.
Meanwhile due to bank's delay in granting pension and other superannuation dues, I had to loose my only friend, my wife untimely for want of proper treatment due to paucity of fund. Gratuity in full,leave encashment and commuted value of pension also were not paid.
Madam, presently I am severely ill both mentally and physically due to insecurity, socially and financially. I therefore pray to your good self to either start my pension from 01/09/2010 or refund all the deductions to relieve me to some extant.
Thanking you in anticipation. With best regards from core of my heart,

Yours faithfully,

Arun Kanti Mondal, P F Index No 1227890.
 
Comment: We suggest that you send this mail directly to the Chairman, and endorse a copy to us for our perusal and follow up.

L.Baskaran wrote at 05-04-2016 08:03:

 Interest on delayed settlement of arrears of pension
Though the approval for payment of revised pension received from GOI in July 2015 there was administrative delay in payment of arrears and revised pension. When the bank is charging higher rate of interest for outlay of funds why should not the bank pay/we should not claim interest for the inordinate delay when our funds are with/used by the bank
 
Comment: If the delay can be established to have been caused by any lapse on the part of the bank, overdue interest is payable. We are not sure if this logic can be applied for all the pensioners receiving revised pension after delayed implementation of the Bipartite settlement.

G.K.M.Raju wrote at 05-04-2016 06:58:

 Guidance for Claims of mediclaim for SBI Retiries
As I have joined mediclaim for sbi retiries(policy-B) by submitting application on 4-01-2016,which was debited to my a/c on 19-01-2016.Accordingly I was eligible for insurance cover w.e.f 1-02-2016. I submitted first claim bill for D.T on 9-03-2016,which was sanctioned and credited an amount of Rs.11038/- to my a/c on 5-04-2016. A sms message is received from CBSSBI to my cell phone. In This Connection,I advise as under for information and guidance to our SBI retiries
1)claim should be in the prescribed designed formate 2)Original cash bills and prescription should be submitted along with claim.In case continewed doctors book or prescription,the Xerox copies of the same duly attested by the bank should be enclosed 3)Cancelled cheque pertaining to your pension a/c should be submitted once.4)Claim should be submitted separately for each individual eligible
 
Comment: Thanks a lot for sharing this valuable information.

Arun Kanti Mondal wrote at 05-04-2016 06:41:

 Deprivation of 34 month's Pension .................
Thank you Sir, for your response on above subject. Actually I am not well both physically and mentally. You have asked for supporting papers. Bank did not issue me any documents regarding all superannuation payments. You may find those with PPG Department. Regarding deduction of Rs7,26,191.84p from PF Balance, Sonarpur Branch(10095) informed me verbally and issue me nothing. I appealed one to all including Chairman through Government site, but left on deaf ears ignoring the accusations. Presently one such complaint lies with Shri Asim De, AGM (Customer). You may find all from RBO, Baruipur. Actually Bank protects the officials directly or indirectly involved with the humiliation and harassment caused to me. I felt dehumanised. I am looser today for bank's fault. Had I paid my legitimate dues in time, I might not loose my friend, my wife. Today I am a lone person and feel isolated and rejected by society. I am penniless, unsocial, unrespectable and unwelcomed person at present.
I request you to take cognisance of my circumstances and of the facts stated above to ensure free and fair investigation to be carried out to probe my allegation. Thank you once again. With regards and gratitude.
 
Comment: Can you please furnish your address and contact number ? Meanwhile, before we reach you, you may mail all the available papers to our office at LHO.

Amitava Goswamy wrote at 05-04-2016 06:18:

 Calculation of pension
I opted for voluntary retirement after serving SBI for 28 yrs pensionable service in Oct 2001. I receive pension @ Rs.4250/-which was then the maximum. Kindly inform if the case result would come in our favour, how the pension will be calculated in my case. The basic+ PQA+SCA was around Rs15000.
 
Comment: You are getting pension on your pre-revised salary of 6th Bipartite, like 33000 other similarly affected pensioners of 7th Bipartite, that too subject to the absurd ceiling of Rs 4250. If we get a positive verdict, you and your group will benefit most, as we have sought pension at 50% of actual average salary drawn, without ceiling.

R Mahadevan wrote at 05-04-2016 03:59:

 W.P(C) 1875/2013
Dear Web Administrator

This is regarding the post of Mr Keshav Rai Saini today on the above case.

Mr Saini has stated that the main prayer of the case is that all employees with 30 years pensionable service should get pension at the rate of 50% of the average pay of the last 12 months of service.

Now I belong to the tribe of those who retired under the pre 2000 erstwhile voluntary retirement- whereby any employee with 20 years of confirmed service would be allowed to retire with normal retirement benefits and without compensation for the remaining service. For example, I retired during 1995 with about 25 years of service on personal reasons. I have not violated any norm and took VR as per the rules. In such cases, we can argue that the service we have completed is also pensionable service since we also draw pension.We were denied REMBS and nobody fought our case although thanks to the recently introduced floater family mediclaim scheme B, we are into it.

Now in the context of what Mr Saini has stated I wish to know whether pensioners like me with less than 30 years of service would also get the benefit of a favourable verdict based on the prayers of the suit in totality.My pension is abysmally low and therefore I am anxious to know whether there will a Godsent relief through this federation case.

I am thankful to Mr Saini for this post which has triggered this question from me-also representing those similarly placed all over the country .I request Mr Saini to let me know his e mail id.

R Mahadevan Chennai
09894180885
carelink@rediffmail.com



 
Comment: Please check whether you are getting pension calculated at 25/60 times your last 12 months' average Basic salary. When we say and demand 50% of salary as pension, it is presumed that one has put in at least 30 years' service, so as to qualify for 30/60 i.e. 50% of salary as full pension.

Our Court case is about this. Because of arbitrary ceilings, many are not getting this as full pension. Moreover, officers were broken up into 40% and negligible number of 50 % categories. We can answer your query fully after getting your response.

Arun Kanti Mondal wrote at 05-04-2016 03:57:

 Deprivationn of 34 month's Pension along with others.
I am a pensioner of SBI with PF Index Number 1227890. I want to submit before you in a nutshell, the trauma, after a long but unsuccessful battle against SBI management for just demand.
Due to Bank's inhuman attitude I am to tender an application on 15/09/2009, seeking voluntary retirement from Bank Service on 31/03/2010. I appeared before a medical board on 19/03/2010 which approved my volunteer resignation. Despite that, after a long silence of three years, Bank acknowledged receipt of my notice on 03/09/2012 vide memo No. 17/138/12-13. But ridiculously, in contradiction to this memo, to conceal their fault, Bank sent me another letter No. 17/15/13-14 on 12/04/2013, only to inform me that my application dated 15/09/2009 was incomplete and I am required to submit a fresh application. Ultimately through letter No. 17/89/13-14 dated 05/07/2013, Bank took unilateral decision in absence of fresh application and permitted me to retire voluntarily as on 30/06/2013, but taking into account my service ending up to 31/08/2010. Thus Bank deprived and deceived me as follows.
1. 34 months pension from 01/09/2010 to 30/06/2013.
2. Rs 7,26,191.84p was deducted from my Provident Fund Balance as gross emoluments during the period from 01/09/2010 to 31/10/2012.
3. Rs 1,68,022.00p was deducted from my gratuity payable.
4. 84 days leave was in my credit, salary of which was not paid.
5. A stagnation increment was granted to me w.e.f 01/11/2010, which was also ignored in fixing my basic pension.
6. I have not been paid commutation of Pension.

I lost my wife, the only friend, philosopher & guide, untimely and all on a sudden for want of proper treatment, only due to paucity of fund.
As such, in this bereaved state of mind, as a last attempt, I highly solicit your intervention for justice. With heartfelt regards and gratitude.
 
Comment: We are very sorry to hear about your experience. Please contact us at our office at LHO, with all supporting papers. We shall try to fight on your behalf, though we won't be able to restore all that you have lost.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 05-04-2016 03:23:

 RECTIFICATION--BRIEF HISTORY OF W.P(C)1875/2013
KINDLY READ THE WORD IN SECOND LAST LINE AS JANUARY,2016 INSTEAD OF JULY,2016.THE INCONVIENCE CAUSED TO READERS IS REGRETABLE.
K.R.SAINI
 

AMRIK SINGH wrote at 05-04-2016 02:58:

 D/bill
Dear Sir,
I am a REMBS member of Rs 7.00 lacks.Please advise whether my bill of Rs 7000.00 dated May 15 can be paid in year 2016-17 as the limit of Rs 7000 was exhausted for the year 2015-16 at that time.Please also advise the form to be used for the same.
Please also advise me the forms to be used for claiming the bill of hospitalization in hospital not in bank's list as I am going for cataract surgery.
AMRIK SINGH
 
Comment: As we understand, your domiciliary treatment bill of 2015 cannot be paid now as your sub limit of Rs 7000 for the year 2015-16 is exhausted.
As regards the bill to be submitted now for cataract operation, the standard IRDA format should be used. Please contact your local TPA.

KESHAV RAI SAINI (Website) wrote at 04-04-2016 23:13:

 BRIEF HISTORY OF W.P(C)1875/2013
ORGINALLY CASE WAS FILED IN THE SUPREME COURT ON 11TH MARCH,2011 AND SUPREME COURT ALLOTTED CASE NO AS W.P(C)184/2011,CASE WAS FILED UNDER ARTICLE 32 WHICH DEALS IN FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS,HOWEVER,THIS CASE RELATES TO SERVICE CONDITIONS.THE MAIN GIST OF THIS CASE IS THAT ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF S.B.I SHOULD GET PENSION AT 50% WITH 30 YEARS PENSIONABLE SWERVICE OF THE LAST 12 MONTHS AVERAGE PAY W.E.F 1.11.1987 OR FROM DATE(S) OF RETIREMENT(S) WHICHEVER LATER.IN THIS CONNECTION I MAY ADD THAT OUR PENSIONERS'FEDERATION HAD ALSO FILED A SIMILAR CASE UNDER W.P(C)529/2000 WHICH HAD BEEN WITHDRAWN ON 16.10.200 AT THE ADVICE OF SUPREME COURT THAT CASE SHOULD COME TO SUPREME COURT THROUGH HIGH COURT.THIS CASE NO W.P(C)184/2011 WAS TRANSFERRED TO DELHI HIGH COURT ON 27.02.2013 ON THE TECHNICAL GROUNDS I.E CASE DEALS SERVICE CONDITIONS NOT FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND CASE SHOULD BE FILED UNDER ARTICLE 226 IN THE HIGH COURT FIRST.SUPREME COURT DIRECT THE DELHI HIGH COURT TO DISPOSE OF THE CASE WITHIN 6 MONTHS.DELHI HIGH COURT HAS LISTED THIS CASE UNDER W.P(C)1875/2013 IN 2013.NOW THIS CASE NO W.P(C)1875/2013 IS BEING HEARD BY DOUBLE BENCDH NO 4 AND FINAL HEARING HAS STARTED FROM JULY,2016 BY THE BENCH NO 4 AND THE NEXT DATE OF HEARING IS 26 APRIL,2016.
K.R.SAINI
 
Comment: Thanks as usual. Anyone interested to gather more facts and figures, may search from Delhi High Court website.

V MADHAVAN wrote at 04-04-2016 20:29:

 COURT CASE 1875/20132
With reference to the Administrators' comments to shri Shiv Nath Mehra's writing on 04-04-2016 I, with all humility to the acumen of the administrator, suggest that informing Mr Mehra to log on to the website http://delhihighcourt.nic.in/ and to the menu case history would have been far more fruitful: Because teaching a man fishing is better than feeding a fish. With respectful regard to all those who read these lines. vmadhavan67@yahoo,in
 
Comment: You are right. But the option of going to the website of Delhi High Court, is always open not only to Mr Mehra, but anyone anywhere, in today's cyberage. We gave a gist of what had happened so far.
Also, we did not like to act like the typical controlling offices of our own bank, which, in response to desperate letters from branches seeking guidance, continue to instruct them curtly to follow laid down rules and procedures.

V neelakantan wrote at 04-04-2016 08:33:

 Transfer
As suggested I submitted for transfer the pension.paying branch taking into consideration of proximity and easy approach through the pension branch to ppg department about two months back still there is no.news or action I. Am sure the service especially to pensioners day by day is deterorating unless pensioners grievences will be heard like other customers the position is not expecting to improve please do some concerted efferts
 
Comment: These are the situations which calls for the presence and action of a strong and effective Association of usually neglected pensioners. Please send reminders with copy to your Association. If this fails, complain to your Circle's CGM. A deep slumber has to be ended by shaking vigorously.

V neelakantan wrote at 04-04-2016 08:23:

 Transfer
As suggested to transfer my pension account I submitted through pension branch to ppg department almost passed two months no news this is the situation I am sure in the coming days it will be deteriorate what is the remedy
 
Comment: Please seek the intervention of your Association. Alternatively or additionally, you may write to the Circle CGM, with copy to Association. The situation is indeed unfortunate. It underscores the need for an active Pensioners' Association.

Shiv Nath Mehra wrote at 04-04-2016 06:04:

 court case 1875/13
Can anybody tell me the date on which court case was filed and in which court and brief details of the journey of the case till date
 
Comment: The case is now being heard in Div Bench No. 4 of Delhi High Court. Originally, the case had been filed in Supreme Court in March, 2011. After hearing continued there for over one and half years, it was transferred directly to a Div Bench of Delhi High Court, with a direction to dispose it within 6 months. Effectively, the final hearing has started in current Bench, only from 12th Jan, 2016. Next date for Govt to respond in hearing, is 26th April, 2016.

Sridhar Srinivasan wrote at 04-04-2016 04:41:

 x bps arrear/commutation
X bps arrear/commutation arrear to those who have opted: chennai circle, it is learnt arranged tobe credited along with this month pension. Let us hope for the best.
 

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