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Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 25-05-2014 10:49 pm:

 8th Bipartite Retirees--Fixation of pension from 1/05/2005 in relation to FPA component:
We have come across discrepancy in the fixation of pension of 8th Bipartite retirees in some of the Circles. The 8th bipartite salary Structure became applicable for payment from 1/11/2002.
IN THE CASE OF SUPERVISING STAFF the FPA (Fixed Personal Allowance) was payable from 1/11/2004. Those who retired between 1/11/2002 and 31/10/2004 their FPA was based on 7th Bipartite pension and thus calculated on old salary structure. As a result many pensioners are receiving less pension than what they are entitled to. If you are a 8th Bipartite Retiree please check your pension. Please contact your Association Office for guidance in the matter and also advice at:- sbipabhc@gmail.com

Please also visit www.sites.google.com/site/sbipabhc/latest-updates
 

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 25-05-2014 7:53 pm:

 7th BP
The new Government under Mr Modi going to be in place from 26th and I hope that we can get the injustice done to the 7th BP retirees reversed through proper representation highlighting the anomolies. In October 2002 itself our bank has submitted a proposal for sanction of 50% of pay which is still to be cleared. Now in the present set up the department of banking affairs which is looking after our issues cannot postpone things without any acceptable reasons. Now the time is ripe for our Pensioners Fedn to meet the Finance Ministry for a discussion and getting our issue solved.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 24-05-2014 1:06 pm:

 7th.BPs
Refer Unknown and Mr.V.Madhavan of 24.05.2014--The next date will be known only after the 2nd.June 2014 when the court reopens.Meanwhile Mr.Salil Ghosh has been given a copy of the paper book.Since November 2013 till date several dates have passed without any hearing or orders.After the new CJI joins at Calcutta High Court a date can be expected.
Sujoy Ghosh
 

Unknown wrote at 24-05-2014 9:52 am:

 7th Bipartite Pensioners
ORDER SHEET

APOT No.549 of 2012
GA No.3135 of 2012
With
WP No.1317 of 2009
IN THE HIGH COURT AT CALCUTTA
Civil Appellate Jurisdiction
ORIGINAL SIDE

STATE BANK OF INDIA & OTHERS
Versus
SRI SALIL KUMAR GHOSH


BEFORE:
The Hon'ble JUSTICE ASHIM KUMAR BANERJEE, ACJ
The Hon'ble JUSTICE DEBANGSU BASAK

Date : 25th November, 2013.

Mr. Ashim Kr. Routh, Mr. Sudip Pal
Chowdhury for the appellants.
Mr. Haradhan Banerjee for the respondent.



The Court : This appeal would be heard. Mr. Haradhan Banerjee, learned Counsel appears for the sole respondent. Hence service of notice of appeal is dispensed with.

The appellants are directed to file requisite number of informal paper book incorporating all papers used before the learned Single Judge within four weeks from date. As soon as paper book is filed, place the appeal for hearing. In default, place it for final order.
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We are told, the respondent already assured this Court, they would not move any application for contempt. Hence we need not pass any order of stay.
The order impugned would abide by the result of the appeal.

GA No.3135 of 2012 is disposed of without any order as to costs.

(ASHIM KUMAR BANERJEE, ACJ.)


(DEBANGSU BASAK, J.)
 

V MADHAVAN wrote at 24-05-2014 9:36 am:

 7th Bipartite Pensioners
greetings to all. Mr. N Subramanian wrote at 21-05-2014 5:42 pm expressing the lack of care for this group of pensioners. It would be a point of interest to note that the petition of Mr. Salil Kumar Ghosh has been favourably decided in 2012 itself. A purposeful follow up of this judgment is the need of the hour to redress the grievance. On 25th November, 2013 in APOT No.549 of 2012 - GA No.3135 of 2012 - With
WP No.1317 of 2009 the court has directed the file requisite number of informal paper book incorporating all papers used before the learned Single Judge within four weeks
from date. Could some on in Bengal Circle publish the final order.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Madhavan,
You have already got a reply from Sujoy, to the effect that the matter is now to be decided after court reopens and new CJ reports.

kaushikkumar wrote at 24-05-2014 3:55 am:

 revised gratuity
it is a matter of concern that although RBI/LIC/COAL INDIA AND MANY CENTRAL/STATE UNDERTAKINGS PAID REVISED GRATUITY WEF 1/1/6 HOWEVER THIS BEENEFIT HAS NOT BEEN EXTENDED TO SBI EMPLOYEES, IT IS A DISCRIMINATION AS IT IS A STATUTARY PAYMENT AND THERE SHOULDNOT BE TWO STANDARDS FOR PAYMENT
 
Comment: Dear Kaushik,
We have replied elsewhere that we in SBI were entitled to gratuity under Gratuity Act, and not uder Gratuity Rules applicable to Govt employees. In any case, the matter is pending before Kerala High Court Single Judge Bench, after Supreme Court refused to hear it directly.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 21-05-2014 10:03 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Mr.N.Subramaniam-your post of 21.05.2014.You are so very right and have expressed a very positive opinion.We can very well write to the Chairperson and simultaneously take up with the GOI who will call for the views of SBI,in any case.And, as you say that SBI has taken up the issue with the previous FM,presumably it is still pending and so our representation will buttress the Cahirperson's recommendations. But PenAss,Bengal Circle has stonewalled my request for the list of 7th.BPs.So long as we get the parity (50/40) from the date of retirement that should satisfy us.Meanwhile let us explore other ways of getting the list since not much can be expected from PenAss,Bengal Circle except possibly some lip sympathy.Sujoy Kumar Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,

We are indeed surprised by your unkind and incorrect comments. We are not aware how our Association has stonewalled your attempts. We did not expect such sweeping remarks from you. Please drop in at our office and collect the requisite data, which, can be gathered from the PPG Deptt.

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 21-05-2014 5:41 pm:

 7th BP Pension Issue
Dear Sujoy as a rejoinder to the views expressed by Mr ARC just I want to tell that let the legal battle go on in the Courts filed on the issue of SBI pensioners which is for fixation of pension at 50%. Our PENFED Gen Secy during his meeting with our Chairman sometime during Feb this year had appealed to her to take up the 7th BP retirees issue with the Govt FMinistry and it is learnt that she has took it up with the then FM. The detailed proposal submitted is in specific for solving the 7th BP retirees issue only relating to fixing up of pension on 7th BP scale.Perhaps the fixation of pension may be on the basis of 50/40 formula,I presume. Now she cannot recommend for sanction of pension on 50/50 formula but she may be able get through the already pending proposal with the Govt. It will eliminate the disparity between 7th and 8th/9th BP retirees. U can also get the neutralization approved. As the case filed by the PENFED which is pending in the courts is not specifically for the sake of 7th BP retirees no body -Our Bank, Govt,IBA or RBI-can say that the matter is subjudice as it is not relevant. On the above grounds why we can just approach our Chairman with an appeal to take up the case of 7th BP retirees with the Present Govt for approval. Please think it over.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,

Such an approach has already been made to the Chairman. She had assured of some develpment, after provisioning is done for NPAs, in the concluded financial year. Let us see what the new year holds for us, pensioners.

Unknown (Website) wrote at 21-05-2014 5:40 pm:

 7th BP Pension Issue
Dear Sujoy as a rejoinder to the views expressed by Mr ARC just I want to tell that let the legal battle go on in the Courts filed on the issue of SBI pensioners which is for fixation of pension at 50%. Our PENFED Gen Secy during his meeting with our Chairman sometime during Feb this year had appealed to her to take up the 7th BP retirees issue with the Govt FMinistry and it is learnt that she has took it up with the then FM. The detailed proposal submitted is in specific for solving the 7th BP retirees issue only relating to fixing up of pension on 7th BP scale.Perhaps the fixation of pension may be on the basis of 50/40 formula,I presume. Now she cannot recommend for sanction of pension on 50/50 formula but she may be able get through the already pending proposal with the Govt. It will eliminate the disparity between 7th and 8th/9th BP retirees. U can also get the neutralization approved. As the case filed by the PENFED which is pending in the courts is not specifically for the sake of 7th BP retirees no body -Our Bank, Govt,IBA or RBI-can say that the matter is subjudice as it is not relevant. On the above grounds why we can just approach our Chairman with an appeal to take up the case of 7th BP retirees with the Present Govt for approval. Please think it over.
 
Comment: Dear ???,

We request you once again, to please identify yourself. Your views on the matter are factually correct.

SUBHASH CHANDRA HAZRA wrote at 21-05-2014 4:49 pm:

 Issue of SBI share to retired employees
It appears in press report that issue of share to the tune of 55lakhs to their employees under employees stock purchase scheme(ESPS)shortly.Please enquire and inform whether retired employees should offered the same at concessional rate.
 
Comment: Dear Subhash,

We shall keep a tab on this matter and inform pensioners, if there is any news. Please keep writing.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 21-05-2014 1:23 pm:

 Pension Issue
Dear Sir,
I thank you for your kind response.The PenFed has no sympathy towards 7th BP retirees because they are not first correcting the affected persons anamoly.They talk of uniformity but when there is no uniformity in fixing the pension as per Act. The fight of the Fed may be right. But on account of that they allow the pensioners who retired on superannuation also. Is this justified? One of the Officer in the Fed tells that Fed cannot take up 7th Separately. I consider that PenFed is the first enemy for the 7th.BP retirees. It is their fate. that too anamoly for nearly 30000 pensioners. The PenFed did not awake more than a decade about 7th and only on 16th March 2011 they file a case in SC and after two years the Bank talks about transfer of the case. 7th pensioners are worst affected and all are looking at our New Prime Minister and the Finance Minister for relief.
 
Comment: Dear Mr. Chandrasekharan,

You are surely entitled to hold your opinion on this or other issues. But if you decry or denounce the Federation, without knowing the facts, it may mislead other pensioners, as this is a public website. Please consider this before making any sweeping remarks.
The fact is that our Federation waited and waited for the Staff Fed and Officers Fed to keep their promises and sort out the anomalies of pensioners, while negotiating for the 9th Bipartite Settlement. But promises were not kept. Ultimately, the Federation filed the case in Supreme Court. The case could not specifically state the 7th Bipartite matter, as many cases were already pending in numerous High Courts. But what our Fed has sought from the Court, i.e. 50% of salary as Pension, will definitely solve the problems of not only 7th Bipartite but also the earlier and later ones.
Our Fed has continuously approached politicians, including our country's present President for solving the pensioners' problems. They will go on striving with the new Govt too. Nothing will obviously happen overnight.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 20-05-2014 2:31 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Mr.Gopalji Tandon and Unknown-your comments of 20.05.2014.In the print out which I took, your name appears but in the process of copy/paste directly from your post in '.....Cursory Look' the portion above 7thBPs.....could not get selected and so the copy/paste for that portion got omitted.Please feel free to furnish your comments/opinion/views with the aim of righting a wrong.Further to the comments of Admin.comments will the PenAss,Bengal Circle kindly take up with the PenFed to get me a copy of the list of the 7th.BPs(in a CD) or send to my e-mail address.Let me know.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,

Could you please drop in at the Association office for this purpose ?

Unknown wrote at 20-05-2014 7:03 am:

 7th B.Ps. Delhi High Court HUM HONGE KAMYAB EK DIN MANOPARANT
Dear Mr. Sujoy The comments appeared below HUM HONGE KAMYAB EK DIN POSTHUMOUSLY 7th B.Ps. & Delhi High Court Case were submitted by me on 6-5-2014 but appeared on 19-5-2014 without your comments. All the pensioners seek your comments.
 
Comment: Dear reader,

Could you please identify yourself ? This will help in maintaining communications. Thanks.

Gopal Ji Tandon (Website) wrote at 20-05-2014 7:00 am:

 HUM HONGE KAMYAB EK DIN POSTHUMOUSLY
Dear Mr. Sujoy The comments appeared below HUM HONGE KAMYAB EK DIN POSTHUMOUSLY 7th B.Ps. & Delhi High Court Case were submitted by me on 6-5-2014 but appeared on 19-5-2014 without your comments. All the pensioners seek your comments.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 19-05-2014 7:40 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Mr.Chandrasekhar and Mr.Subramanian--That was a copy/paste from another site.Penfed is unlikely to withdraw the case.Earlier,possibly 2000 they had filed and withdrawn.They will not repeat that action.Mr.Suramanian's(16.05.2014)idea is our best bet.But as a first step how to get the list as proposed by me.PenAss,Bengal Circle has not extended their helping hand as yet.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,

You may come and discuss the idea in concrete terms with the Bengal Circle Association. In any case, no Circle Association will take any such step unilaterally. Federation has to get involved. If it furthers our cause in any way, it is worth moving ahead.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 19-05-2014 7:26 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
7th B.Ps and Delhi High Court Case
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It has been observed from the developments taken place on
17-4-2014 at Delhi High Court that the Bank/Govt. has succeed in their motive of lingering on the above case for un limited period. As our Federation has very correctly mentioned in their letter dated 18-4-2014 appeared on the website of SBI Pensioners Association Mumbai Circle (Pune) that our case which is listed on 25th September 2014 for Final Hearing will not be heard for the purpose as one of our colleague pensioner Shri Kiran Kumar Jaipuriar had filed a W.P. in Jharkhand High Court on 8.3.2010. With the consent of this pensioner/petitioner as per the order of Supreme Court in a transfer petition filed by our Bank was transferred to Delhi High Court & listed to be heard along with our W.P. In this way we will not get the decision of the above W.P.in our life time. It appears that our mighty employer SBI/as well as Govt. will always play the game of hide & seek and when the W.P will ripe for Final hearing they will play such type of games. It appears that our mighty employer – SBI has manipulated the things and motivated one of our colleague to file a flimsy W.P.in Jharkhand High Court for which Federation is already fighting.
Friends our mighty employer SBI might play such type of games for lingering on our case for unlimited period I have already written an article in this regard in
HINDI
HUM HONGE KAMYAB EK DIN POSTHUMOUSLY 14-5-2013 which was placed as Image on Word Press.com as well as on Face Book.
Since our Media is reluctant to highlight our Humane Agenda and mischief of our mighty employer and Government we have no alternative but to use Social Media.

 

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 19-05-2014 6:49 pm:

 SBI Pension
Dear Mr.Ghosh, I thank you for your response. By having a positive thinking if the New Government after going through the representation by the Chairman and PenFed advises to withdraw the case so that they will be able to settle the anamoly. will the PenFed General Secretary Mr.Murthy withdraw the case of 1875? Secondly, if the Govt. tells that whatever has been in the ACT and if there is any violationgs that will be cleared as per the proposal sent by the Bank in 2006 should it be accepted by the PenFed or reject same since the prayer in 1875 is for 50% Please advise.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,

We suggest that you directly communicate with fellow pensioners, instead of using this website. A lot of avoidable confusion is being created even though, unintentionally. The purpose of creating this website will be defeated if we get hooked to slanging.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 19-05-2014 6:41 pm:

 Pension in SBI
Dear Mr.Ghosh, I thank you for your response. By having a positive thinking if the New Government after going through the representation by the Chairman and PenFed advises to withdraw the case so that they will be able to settle the anamoly. will the PenFed General Secretary Mr.Murthy withdraw the case of 1875? Secondly, if the Govt. tells that whatever has been in the ACT and if there is any violationgs that will be cleared as per the proposal sent by the Bank in 2006 should it be accepted by the PenFed or reject same since the prayer in 1875 is for 50% Please advise.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 19-05-2014 3:56 pm:

 7th.BPs
Mr.N.Subramanian-your post of 19.05.2014- I believe that we need to take up the issue as a singular item.The PenFed or the Chairman are likely to take up other issues as well,which will dilute our issue.The PenFed is likely to concentrate on the 50% issue but our issue is from the date of retirement and parity with others similarly placed.Unfortunately the PenAss of Bengal Circle has not offered any comments on furnishing the details of the retirees as proposed by me.Even if we take up our issue directly, the GOI will refer to the Bank and possibly to the PenFed to obtain their views and that will reveal their minds whether they support us or not or only lip service is being given to us. Let us not get into a conflict situation amongst ourselves.Sujoy Kumar Ghosh
 

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 19-05-2014 1:37 pm:

 7th BP Pension Issue
Dear Sujoy My regards to U. i went thru Ur mail addressed to ARC. Our Present Chairman is fully aware of the plight of the 7th BP retirees. When our PENFED Gen.Secretary called on her during Feb this year to greet her as the First Lady Chairman of our Organisation he told her about our case for which she responded by saying that she knows about the case and subsequently it appears that she had a talk on the matter with the previous FM and she has also made a provision for the outflow. Now the protocol requires our Chairman to call upon the PM as well as the FM to greet them on their assuming charge and if at that time if our Chairman could make a reference to the pending proposal with the Govt which has been forwarded long back by the bank on the subject for their approval perhaps it may yield result. For this purpose the PENFED ALongwith the working statff federations can take up the matter with the Chairman with a request to suitably take up the matter with the Govt. Pl. think over the above course of action. I am saying so much in this column for the simple reason that it is viewed by many of our officials and contributions are also made by many from all over the country. Let us think always positive .With regards N Subramanian
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 18-05-2014 3:01 pm:

 7th.BPs
Mr.A.R.Chandrasekharan-your post of the 17th.May 2014.When Mr.Bhatt was the Chairman he had tried and had also got Mr.B.B.Das(after giving him an extension for three months) to liaise with the GOI FinMin for clearing the 7th.BPs discrimination.Mr.Das was then a CGM and retired.I was in telecontact with him at that time as I knew him very well having handed over charge in an earlier assignment when we were both in Bhubaneswar Circle a long time back and much water has flown down the Ganges & Mahanadi by now!.Incidentally I belong to Bhubaneswar Circle and was born in Dhenkanal,Orissa-now Odisha.The FinMin oficials had at that time said that the cases had to be withdrawn first and advised the then Fin. Minister accordingly.The Officials are unlikely to change that stand so quickly now.But as Mr.Subramanian has opined(16.05.2014) personal appeal by the affected pensioners without going into any legalese may be a different matter,I believe.Give it a thought.If Bengal Circle Pensioners Asscn. can extend a helping hand by providing the names/addresses from the CPPC,Calcutta, half, if not more, of the battle would be over.All it needs is sorting by date of birth and all the 20000 odd pension slips would be available,i.e born between 01.11.1937 and 31.10.1942(check calculation?).I believe the program at CPPC would be able to do that.Sujoy Ghosh
 

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 17-05-2014 10:25 pm:

 Pension
Dear Sir,
Irrespective of the pending cases in various high courts will it be possible for the New Government to give approval for 50% of the last drawn salary as pension for SBI pensioners. Please advise
 
Comment: Dear Mr Chandrasekharan,

We share your concern about the removal of anomaly in the pension calculation process in our bank. Our efforts to get the new Govt to appreciate our plight and redress our grievances, will continue simultaneously with our efforts in the Court. We feel that the Govt. can unilaterally approve the payment of 50% pension to the 7th Bipartite pensioners, while the Court can correct this anomaly for all pensioners, of the past, present and future.

ncSharma wrote at 17-05-2014 4:53 pm:

 PENSION SLIP
Dear Mr Debashish Ghosh - Your post dated 17-05-2014 2:51 pm; Please click on the link ( In case, your are SBI Pensioner) https://www.sbi.co.in/sbipension/user.htm?action=userreg and fill in the particulars to get yourself registered on the portal. You will find what your desire, definately the monthly Pension slip.
 
Comment: Dear Mr. Sharma,

Thanks for giving the address of the portal for pensioners, in order to help fellow pensioner, Debasish. The procedure to get access to this portal, has been clearly furnished by us, on this website too. We have separately responded to him. Please keep writing..

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 17-05-2014 4:23 pm:

 7th BP retirees revision of pension
Dear Sujoy Ghosh drafting a petition imbibing therein all the issues without omission is the first task which can be accomplished only by a highly knowledged .It should be vetted after the draft and I don'nt know whether it should have the nod of the PENFED 's President/ General Secretary Mr. P P P S Moorthy. Getting the signatures comes next. Circle-wise the drafts of the appeal can be sent to the Circle PENFED Secretaries for obtention of signatures of 7 BP retirees. Then pooling the signed petitions and submission to the Govt.by calling on the PM/FM in person thru a delegation .Process is little complex but nothing is impossible.Hard work has its own rewards. Please think it over. In my view after seeing your handling of READERS WRITE HERE COLUMN I feel You can organize and accomplish it with ease. Time consumption we cannot avoid.With regards and prayers to the ALL SUPREME to give us ample strength to execute this mammoth task and make it a success as it is a common cause in the interest of all.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,

We really appreciate your sentiments and intention, which reflects the collective feelings of pensioners all over the country. Our Federation is on the job, and will definitely try its best to be heard properly by the Govt. Simultaneously, our struggles in the Courts and elsewhere, will continue.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 17-05-2014 2:58 pm:

 7th.BPs
Mr.N.Subramanian-your post of 16.05.2014--A brilliant idea.You were encouraged by the trends which turned out to be correct.In between I have written to Mr.Modi(CM)on good governance and transparency which work in tandem asking for amendment to Section 7(9) of the RTI Act and 'the Justice Delivery System'.Again when the CJI,Justice R.M.Lodha mentioned it vide news item in the TOI of the 29th.April 2014 I again wrote to him on the 1st.May 2014 on this.On the 6th.May 2014 I wrote to him on the Women's Reservation Bill,for it's passage by the Lok Sabha and it's enactment and mentioned -"I believe that with the numbers you are likely to get you could take the giant strides as proposed...."."You have a date with India's destiny on the 16th.May 2014.Meet your date and rewrite the next chapter of the history of Women of India.....".Now although the issue is sub judice, we as individuals can write to the FM and PM highlighting the plight of the 7th.BPs and the sell out by the working union at that time.The 7th.BP signatories to the petitions at Kerala,Madras and Calcutta High Courts cannot be the signatories to the petition of the remaining 7th.BPs.to be submitted as a mass petition.The problem would be getting the signatures of the 7th.BPs.If you can find an answer to that and having a common letter we can succeed.Give it a thought and we can work on it.The Bank has nothing to do with it at this stage.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,

Thanks for your post, which is not only informative, but indicative of the sorry plight of pensioners, and our zeal to set it right.

DEBASISH GHOSH wrote at 17-05-2014 2:51 pm:

 PENSION SLIP
Is there a process to generate my pension slip via online for each month? If yes,kindly mention in details
 
Comment: Dear Debasish,

You will find the address of the special portal of the Bank, for pensioners, on this website itself. After you log in and get your password, you will not only get to see and/or print out your monthly pension slip, you will also be able to input your investments, and thus reduce your tax liability.

S.S.Ghosh wrote at 17-05-2014 1:59 pm:

 7th BP retirees revision of pension
Dear N.Subramanian, Your suggestion is very much appreciable and we should raise our demand to our New FM without delay.
 
Comment: Dear Shri Ghosh,

The plight of pensioners in the banking industry in general, and that of those in SBI in particular, will be highlighted definitely by our Federation, to the new Govt.

N.Subramanian (Website) wrote at 16-05-2014 4:25 pm:

 7th BP retirees revision of pension
Dear Sri Sujoy Let us convey our congrats to Mr Modi for BJP's stunning win in the assembly elections. The change in the Govt is certainly a blessing in disguise for us. Let us approach the FM after the stabilization of the Govt with an open mind which I trust will certainly yield good results.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Subramanian,
Our Federation has been trying for a long time, with the outgoing Govt, to alleviate the sufferings of our Bank's pensioners. With the advent of the new Govt, the issues will definitely be highlighted again. Simultaneously, other forms of struggle will continue.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 11-05-2014 10:31 pm:

 SBI pension
Dear Sir,
The Pension paid by the Bank is in accordance with the Pension Fund ACT. 50/40 is agreed formula right or wrong. If the Bank pays pension higher than this it should obtain the prior permission of the Government.i.e. If there is any benefit relating to the superannuation other than what is agreed then the Govt. approval is necessary. 50/40 is agreed by the Govt. Hence, why the Bank needs Govt. prior approval for the same formula Please advise.It appears an official asking permission for passing a cheque for Rs,10,000/- when his passing power is Rs.one lac
 
Comment: Dear Mr Parthasarathy,
Pensioners of our Bank are entitled to get 50% of the last average Basic salary, as Basic pension. But Bank has imposed ceilings and 40% formula to officer retirees. Moreover, lower pre revised salary of 6th Bipartite salary has been taken for computing pension for 7th Bipartite retirees. This anomaly is absent for retirees of other banks. Unfortunately, this was agreed upon in the 7th Bipartite. Our bank can't rectify the position without Govt approval or Court order.

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 11-05-2014 10:19 pm:

 SBI Pension Fund Act4
Dear Sir,
The Pension paid by the Bank is in accordance with the Pension Fund ACT. 50/40 is agreed formula right or wrong. If the Bank pays pension higher than this it should obtain the prior permission of the Government.i.e. If there is any benefit relating to the superannuation other than what is agreed then the Govt. approval is necessary. 50/40 is agreed by the Govt. Hence, why the Bank needs Govt. prior approval for the same formula Please advise.It appears an official asking permission for passing a cheque for Rs,10,000/- when his passing power is Rs.one lac
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 11-05-2014 3:32 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Mr.N Subramanian--You are not alone in this feeling of agony and frustration.In 2008 I had sought for information about how many retirees under the 7BPs are alive.It was advised as 27529.Over these six years can you imagine how many would be alive now all over India?It is possible 50% would have gone to their maker.At that time the Bank took shelter under Section 7(9) of the RTI act and did not furnish the numbers still drawing pension as on the 31st.March 2008,but when the Delhi High Court(5th.&6th.BPs) asked for the pre 1.11.1993 and post 1.11.1993 the Bank furnished the figure as 5613 and 92524 respectively which would have included the 7th.BPs plus later ones.The pension fund corpus available at that time was Rs.34862.70 crores and earning interest at approx. rate of 8.5.%.The situation is not really dismal but frustrating and agonising.It is the deliberate and obstinate view adopted by the GOI that the matter remains pending for so long and possibly the misplaced ego of the successive FMs at the Center upto now.Let us wait out this year where after we may decide to travel to our maker as and when called for!.Cheers and cheer up!!Sujoy Ghosh.
 

N.SUBRAMANIAN (Website) wrote at 10-05-2014 7:57 pm:

 Calcutta High Court Case 7th BP
Dear Mr Sujoy It is out of mere frustration on the delays in completion of the PENFED petitions filed in the courts and being dragged on due to the delaying tactics deployed by the Govt and our Bank. Half a dozen pensioners minimum in Chennai circle alone drawing on 6th BP scales who were hoping and dreaming for an early settlement are leaving for Heavenly Abode and and if we take into account the members belonging to other circles also it will really be a whooping figure. Excepting that I have no other intention while posting my observations. Thank U for correcting me.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 10-05-2014 3:07 pm:

 7th.Bipartite
Mr.N Subramanian-Your post of the 9th.May 2014.We are not competent to pass judgement on the amplitude of the mind of the Chief Justice of Calcutta High Court on whom depends the next date for the hearing before his Division Bench.The next date involves placing before him a relevant past judgement on a similar issue which is ready in the hands of the plaintiff's counsel and either the order on the same day after perusal by the Judges or at best another date for the order.But now, the courts will close from the 19th.May and will reopen on the 2nd.June.12th.is election day here and results on the 16th.May which washes out that week.So with the mercy of God we may expect a date towards the end of June 2014
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 09-05-2014 7:32 pm:

 IInd Innings Oct-Dec-2013
We have uploaded the IInd Innings Oct-Dec-2013, which you can download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website:
http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 09-05-2014 7:31 pm:

 IInd Innings Oct-Dec-2013
We have uploaded the IInd Innings Oct-Dec-2013, which you can download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website:
http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/
 

N.SUBRAMANIAN (Website) wrote at 09-05-2014 6:21 pm:

 Calcutta High Court Case 7th BP
The above case, even though the hearing is over long back and judgment only to be delivered there is apparently no sign of it.We are at a loss to understand the reason for the hesitation on the part of the Bench to pronounce the judgment Is it at the behest of the Govt or our Bank ? Or the Calcutta Bench is awaiting the outcome of the SBI cases pending at SC and HC of Delhi.The Bench has to naturally fall back upon the numerous judgments already pronounced in similar cases and not on such cases pending in the courts. How can we explain such a case
 

A.R.Chandrasekharan (Website) wrote at 09-05-2014 12:53 pm:

 1989 Judgment of SC to IBI Pensioners
Sir,
How do you opine that the above judgement is not applicable to SBI? If so, why did the PenFed mention that in their Afidavit? Why Mr.Murthy the GS in every meeting talks about this? Why not he give correct reasons for its non applicability to SBI pensioners? Please clarify.
 

PS NAYYAR wrote at 08-05-2014 9:39 pm:

 PENSION SHOULD BE 50% OF THE BASIC & FAMILY PENSION 30%
We have not got justice in Court Cases as judiciary and MoF, both are interested to drag on the Cases endlessly. This is despite the directive of the Supreme Court of India to Delhi High Court to give decision within 4 months. Seniors above 70 years of age may never be able to get justice due to the negative attitude of executive, judiciary and Bank. They have driven the pensioners to deprivation with cost of living and medical expenses going high. Hundreds of Officers and Staff are retiring every month and joining pensioners. It is upto the Federation to have a common cause with both the active staff Federations and repeat an April 2006 type- indefinite strike on the single pressing issue of pension. UFBU may be taken into confidence. Otherwise there does not seem to be an end to the struggle.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 08-05-2014 12:00 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Mr.N.Subramanian,Dhanabalan and Gopalji Tandon-This refers to your posts--I get the feeling of desperation from your posts and maybe rightly so because it echoes the feelings of the remaining 7th.BPs.But as I have posted earlier the attachment of the petition of Mr.Jaipuriar of Jharkand High Court may be a blessing in disguise for us 7th.BPs.and it may highlight the plight of discrimination against us.In fact this is an opportunity for the PenFed also to join in to strengthen it's petition seeking 50% pension and highlighting the discrimination.Further with the transfer of the Madras and Kerala High Court case on the 7th.BPs at the Supreme Court slated for the 18th.July 2014 there is every hope of righting a wrong perpetrated on us.And as the CJI of the SC has recently opined, adjournments may not be possible 'at the drop of a hat'.Take heart.There is still hope.Sujoy Ghosh
 

N. Subramanian (Website) wrote at 07-05-2014 9:12 pm:

 7th BP issues
It is certain that a new govt will be formed in the Center and hopefully the highly biased Mr Chidambara will not be there to further spoil our case. The Supreme court case is schedled to come for further hearing in the month of SEpt only . In the interim our Pen Fed alongwith the reps from both the Award and Supervising staff Fedns can take a delegation to meet our Chairman and the PM/FM to make an appeal highlighting the issues of 7th BP retirees and make a submission for taking a favorable decision in our favor. I hope this course of action will yield results. If nothing works we may have but to think about various other actions including continuation of our legal battle.
 

dhanabalan wrote at 07-05-2014 12:32 pm:

 latest on pension
It is time to have an introspection about our goals and achievemen ts It is high time we change our methods to acheive our goals..No morer relioance on anybody to help us. Having submitted our memorandum to all concerned if we are not called for discussions within 2 months let us go to peoples court and involve all the bank reirees and conduct district/taluk level . and dharnas and processions to elicit public opinion
 

Gopal Ji Tandon (Website) wrote at 06-05-2014 4:44 pm:

 7th BP Delhi High Court



7th B.Ps and Delhi High Court Case
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It has been observed from the developments taken place on 17-4-2014 at Delhi High Court that the Bank/Govt. has succeed in their motive of lingering on the above case for un limited period. As our Federation has very correctly mentioned in their letter dated 18-4-2014 appeared on the website of SBI Pensioners Association Mumbai Circle (Pune) that our case which is listed on 25th September 2014 for Final Hearing will not be heard for the purpose as one of our colleague pensioner Shri Kiran Kumar Jaipuriar had filed a W.P. in Jharkhand High Court on 8.3.2010. With the consent of this pensioner/petitioner as per the order of Supreme Court in a transfer petition filed by our Bank was transferred to Delhi High Court & listed to be heard along with our W.P. In this way we will not get the decision of the above W.P.in our life time. It appears that our mighty employer SBI/as well as Govt. will always play the game of hide & seek and when the W.P will ripe for Final hearing they will play such type of games. It appears that our mighty employer – SBI has manipulated the things and motivated one of our colleague to file a flimsy W.P.in Jharkhand High Court for which Federation is already fighting.
Friends our mighty employer SBI might play such type of games for lingering on our case for unlimited period I have already written an article in this regard in
HINDI HUM HONGE KAMYAB EK DIN POSTHUMOUSLY 14-5-2013 which was placed as Image on Word Press.com as well as on Face Book.
Since our Media is reluctant to highlight our Humane Agenda and mischief of our mighty employer and Government we have no alternative but to use Social Media.
 

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 02-05-2014 9:55 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case-general observation
Admin.Thank you for your sweet and considered response.Life is all about togetherness.I have, earlier mentioned about the dilatory tactics of the Lawyer fraternity of India and their 'time petition' syndrome which is the bane of the Indian Justice Delivery system.This has been echoed by the CJI Justice R.M.Lodha who has opined(TOI-29.04.2014)"strongly conveyed that hearing in cases would not be adjourned on the mere asking of Lawyers.""The culture of adjournment has to go.Seeking adjournment of scheduled hearing of cases at the drop of a hat must go.Unless a lawyer falls very ill, requests for adjournment must not be made"'He has ordered a new process to be in place."Requests for adjournment has to be made much in advance and would be decided by a registrar of the Supreme Court.The Judicial time of the Court cannot be spent on it.....especially when there was a heavy pendency of cases."In the Subroto Roy(Sahara) case Justices K.S.Radhakrishnan and J.S.Kehar observed"...Why criminal contempt proceedings should not be initiated against....for attempting to obstruct the justice delivery system..."But one has to hope that this filters down to the High Courts and lower Courts in the overall speeding up of the Justice Delivery System.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
Thanks for your post, which reflects your genuine feelings about the uncertainties and delays in our judicial system, and corroborates our observations. Let us hope for the best under the existing system, till its changed for the better. Please keep writing.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 02-05-2014 3:15 pm:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Comment on 02.05.2014.It is not a blame game and need not be construed as such.It is a matter of interpretation and expressing one's view point which may not always be correct as viewed from the others point of view.My current post was to clarify Mr.V.K.Arora's query on my apprehension.I wholly appreciate the concerns,efforts and activities of the Pensioners Associations and try to supplement it in my own small way and share my opinion and seek answers to them from others similarly placed.No offence meant.Having retired I feel so free as never before when I felt I was in bondage.Free as a bird with no offence but fly in peace. Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
Please keep flying in peace. There have been some posts in this website which has blamed the Federation and Associations for not doing anything for the cause of pensioners. It is not necessary that everyone has to agree with the action plan adopted by the Federation. But disrespect is not desirable, criticism is. Your posts have always been helpful, even when not in conformity with the decisions of the leadership.
We have explained why the Federation could not or did not consciously mention 7th Bipartite retirees, in their petition. We hope that you do not have misgivings on this issue.
We await your posts. To err is human. We also make many mistakes. We learn from interactions with our fellow pensioners.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 02-05-2014 11:18 am:

 7th.BPs and Delhi High Court case
Status of W.P. 184/2011 transferred by Supreme Court
to Delhi High Court numbered as WP(C)/1875/2013
'At this juncture, the Bank's Counsel intervened and said that
a letter mischievously placed by him in the case file is to be
taken note of. He placed on record a letter date 27th January,
2014 issued by the Hon'ble Supreme Court allowing the
application for transfer of the case filed by an individual in
Ranchi High Court to be heard by Delhi High Court. The case
filed by the petitioner is in regard to 7th Bipartite Issue and does
not have any relevance to our case in question.'This is a quote from the news letter of May 2014 of PenAss,Chandigarh Circle and is further to my post of 01.05.2014.This reflects on the importance of the discrimination of the 7th.BPs and could well have been a part of the PenFed petition.If this is accepted by the court at this stage at least we can hope for some positive result.The PenFed should not oppose this inclusion but could use this opportunity,though belated, to redress the situation.Mr.Aurora and the comment,Now you may appreciate my observation to which you have posted your opinion.Sujoy Ghosh
 
Comment: Dear Sujoy,
Let us not get caught in unnecessary arguments on what should or could have been done. Our Federation could not have specifically mentioned 7th Bipartite deprivation in the petition, as the same matter was pending in numerous High Courts at that time. They had to submit an affidavit to the effect that the matter was not pending in any other court. Hence, the petition sought a simple relief : 50% of last average basic salary to be Basic Pension, for all. If this is granted, pensioners from all Bipartites, including 7th Bipartite would benefit. Let us also not forget that the case has been heard in details, by the Supreme Court, and their notings are a part of the record in Delhi High Court. Let us not accuse the Federation at this stage.

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 02-05-2014 8:06 am:

 Pension updation in RBI
There is some more information relating to developments in the pesnion updation issue in RBI: Quote:
UNITED FORUM OF RESERVE BANK OFFICERS & EMPLOYEES issued a circular dated 28th April 2014 the para 2 of which states:
" Bank took note of our concerns and assured that Bank would be making endeavour to address those and protect the interests of employees and retirees, regarding fixation of pay for pension, "rationalization" of perks and perquisites, alignment with the banking sector including SBI for compensation package with A+ position every five years following settlements there, appropriate amendment of RBI pension regulations etc."The circular does not detail anything further.
However,we understand from their sources that United forum has consented to the Bank's following proposals.
1. Updation of pension every ten years:
2.Bank will extend one more pension option to those who did not opt for it earlier
3.Basic pension to be based on last drawn pay instead of average of TEN months’ last drawn pay.with appropriate Amendments to Pension Regulations.
4. Alignment with Banking Industry and SBI to retain A+ position.The wages shall be reviewed and revised in the context of the settlements in the Industry.
5.Rationalization of perks.
•The Bank will now, as a reply to the Government’s earlier letter give its consent in principle. Appropriate approval from the Central Board of Directors will also be sought in the matter.
In short, RBI would recommend the above proposals to MOF, Govt. of India for their final approval. After the GOI gives its assent , necessary instructions in the matter would be issued to the offices.
Those retirees who did not opt for pension earlier should be ready now with money to opt when the bank invites them to do so.
unquote.
 
Comment: Dear Mr Parthasarathy,

You have rightly highlighted the status of negotiation in RBI regarding updation of pension. A positive decision in RBI, will definitely help us in achieving our demands in SBI. Family Pension has already been approved in RBI at 30% of last Basic salary. But regarding updation, if salary revision is to be done at intervals of 10 years, as a precondition, it is unlikely that the UFBU for working employees in the banking industry, would agree. In any case, the Federation and all Associations of Pensioners in SBI, are keeping a close watch on the developments.

Sujoy Ghosh (Website) wrote at 01-05-2014 12:25 pm:

 7th.BPs and PenFed case
Mr.V.K.Arora-your post of 23rd.April and the comments-We are getting only snatches of information on the petition filed without the full text being provided.My observations are based on the 'snatches of information'.The courts order will be based on the content of the petition summed up by the prayer for the relief sought.Sujoy Ghosh
 

Sudhir Suman Kumaria (Chandigarh Circle) wrote at 01-05-2014 10:03 am:

 Pensioners’ Mail May-2014
We have uploaded the following file, which you can download from SBI Pensioners’ Association (Chandigarh Circle) official website:

http://www.sbipensionerschd.com/

Chandigarh Circles’ Monthly Bulletin Pensioners’ Mail for month of May 2014
 

R PARTHASARATHY wrote at 30-04-2014 5:53 pm:

 Pension updation
An interesting development on the distant shore:
Reserve Bank News
It is learnt from very reliable sources that United Forum Leaders met the Reserve Bank
today ( 28-04-2014 ) morning and conveyed their approval in respect of Pension Updation etc.
United Forum is likely to issue a circular soon.
await the details.
congrats! AIRBIOPF.

Is there any development for us to pin our hopes on?

 

Dipak Kumar Basu wrote at 30-04-2014 6:19 am:

 Udation of Pension
Govt has grudgingly accepted in-principle updation of pension in RBI in effect they are trying to make it nullity by preposterous conditionalities.

a) updation every 10 years,
b) pension will be calculated on grade pay i.e. basic pay only not on other pay components,
c)wage revision after 10years instead of 5 years

UFBU of RBI has correctly rejected the proposal and resolved to maintain strong unity and intensify efforts.

 
Comment: Dear Dipak,
Thanks for the useful, though disheartening news update. We can now only for the new Govt. to decide.

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